Warriors are OP? at what?

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Where are people comeing up with stuff like this? i mean really just cause YOUR ret pally suck does not mean ALL ret pallies suck.

ret pallies are xtremely strong in arena if you have the right set up, and ret pallies can stilll burst a target down in a matter of a few gcd in 3v3.

If you are talking about 1v1 then yes ret pallies suck, if you are talking about 3v3 or 5v5 then i will have to say that just YOUR ret pally suck.

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No. I'm at 2k+

Any team with a ret paladin would be higher rated with another spec/class in the ret's slot.

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same can be said with warlocks, enhance shamans, fearal druids, hunters, ect. ect. ect.

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This, actually. Ret is fine really, some non-damage buffs aren't at all out of line, but yeah.

As for the discussion of the thread? Warriors are only as powerful as their healers: Resilience change and unkillable healers=strong warriors. Gasp.

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As for the discussion of the thread? Warriors are only as powerful as their healers: Resilience change and unkillable healers=strong warriors. Gasp.

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That and the whole unpeelable unkillable death machine thing.

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Where are people comeing up with stuff like this? i mean really just cause YOUR ret pally suck does not mean ALL ret pallies suck.

ret pallies are xtremely strong in arena if you have the right set up, and ret pallies can stilll burst a target down in a matter of a few gcd in 3v3.

If you are talking about 1v1 then yes ret pallies suck, if you are talking about 3v3 or 5v5 then i will have to say that just YOUR ret pally suck.

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You're completely backwards here. Ret is strong in most 1v1s, and weak in all levels of arena play.

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We all know this, and I can only assume blizzard knows this. So what I don't understand is why wars got such huge buffs right before a new gearset was released. Now two sets later and they still have those changes along with being better from their insane scaling.

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Because warriors actually were having problems staying on target and putting out pressure in arenas.

before the changes Warriors were caught in a paradox of needing to shift to berserker stance for pummel, but Overpower and Rend being Battlestance only. We were also having problems getting into melee range because Intercept was the only distance closer we had, and a vast majority of the casters got new kiting abilities and skills.

We wanted Charge inc and pummel. we got Charge in combat (which got nerfed to +5 seconds) and a psudo interrupt that hurts Healers more than it hurts damage casters.

Our damage has only recently become very good (with ArP, perhaps too good) because of the great gear available now. We scale better than others with gear because of the current rage mechanics.

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Now warriors have too much up time on a target if there is not a druid or frost mage on the team.

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I said it earlier when WOTLK was young.

Warriors are as powerful as the gear available is. As gear gets stronger the class gets stronger.

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Because there weren't changes to...

Charge (Via Juggenaut)
Overpower (Via Taste For Blood and Unrelenting Assualt)
Buff to ArP (Even after the most recent nerf)
Battle Stance (Actually having a benefit)
Nerf to Dk's and Rets (Classes that where outshining us)
An overall nerf to burst damage

The quote that we got stronger as gear got better, is untrue. All classes scale with better gear. We simply received the buffs in order to help us with this expansion.

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Wheres the math that warriors "scale insanely."

Rage scaling was the problem in BC, in wotlk PvP rage bars have been full at all times since s5. The problem is the buffs they got, it's nothing to do with "scaling."

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List them, really list the buffs we got.
And the Nerfs.

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hi, i'm here to volunteer to be underpowered for 1 season if i can be grossly overpowered for 6.

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Having a difficult time rerolling?

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Wheres the math that warriors "scale insanely."

Rage scaling was the problem in BC, in wotlk PvP rage bars have been full at all times since s5. The problem is the buffs they got, it's nothing to do with "scaling."

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Yeah not really but thanks for trying.

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No it isn't the buffs cause the same issue was present toward the ned of s3 and all throught s4, it is a scaleing issue. in s5 they where weak but they got stronger as the gear got stronger not thier buffs.


No warriors should not have a 75% ms with the amount of dmg that they put out now. but then again this is world of warcraft player vs player, so there is no such thing as a middle ground for talents and abilities. As long as raiding and pvp talents share the same tool tip pvp will never be balanced and pve will always take massive nerfs so that 1 move will not be op in pvp.

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We were nonexistant in S5. We were fixed. Our arena rep has remained pretty steady since, despite our "retarded scaling"

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hi, i'm here to volunteer to be underpowered for 1 season if i can be grossly overpowered for 6.

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You realize you play a rogue right?

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You're completely backwards here. Ret is strong in most 1v1s, and weak in all levels of arena play.

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Yep, but isn't this a post about Warriors. This is kind of how it always has been. Retribution has never been a top Paladin spec. Never will be. It will however always be a strong 1v1 spec. Not that any of that matters. Feral is a strong 1v1 spec, look at how it is doing in arena.

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Because there weren't changes to...

Charge (Via Juggenaut)
Overpower (Via Taste For Blood and Unrelenting Assualt)
Buff to ArP (Even after the most recent nerf)
Battle Stance (Actually having a benefit)
Nerf to Dk's and Rets (Classes that where outshining us)
An overall nerf to burst damage

The quote that we got stronger as gear got better, is untrue. All classes scale with better gear. We simply received the buffs in order to help us with this expansion.

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The only one of those buffs that was overkill was the spellpower debuff on UA.....well that and the overnerfing DK's got.

Arms was a completely dead spec in WoTLK before those buffs.

Or.....Warrior buffs in LK have been in the typical power creep fashion.

Exhibit a) Warriors in an acceptable spot in 3.0

b) DK released, stupidly overpowered.

c) Oh noes Warriors haven't changed but suck now.

d) DK's get nerfed, Warriors buffed when really DKs were just too goodl.

e) This thread gets created.