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  • 0. Aura Mastery useless in PvE, intended?   10/28/2009 04:15:59 AM PDT
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Why not simply change the tooltip to state "up to 10 seconds" and make the Arena duration 6 seconds?

You say you don't like to have different rulesets for PvE/PvP, but effect durations have ample precedent.

Six seconds is hardly worth it for a PvE healer using it to temporarily mitigate AoE magical damage.

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  • 1. Re: Aura Mastery useless in PvE, intended?   10/28/2009 04:28:06 AM PDT
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I also found it very useful at H Jaraxxus 25, to prevent interrupts from Mistress' Kiss. It's on a 2 min CD, and if people get the portal/mistress fast enough, it deals with the problem. It helps at faction champs as well.

I'm not sure why Aura Mastery was nerfed. Was it because of PvP reasons? I can't say I'm into PvP, so I wouldn't know. But if that's the case, making it last 6 in arena and 'up to 10 seconds" in PvE would be a nice solution.
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  • 2. Re: Aura Mastery useless in PvE, intended?   10/28/2009 04:32:35 AM PDT
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I'm not sure why Aura Mastery was nerfed. Was it because of PvP reasons? I can't say I'm into PvP, so I wouldn't know. But if that's the case, making it last 6 in arena and 'up to 10 seconds" in PvE would be a nice solution.


Yep, PvP change. They don't nerf abilities for being situationally useful in PvE.

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  • 3. Re: Aura Mastery useless in PvE, intended?   10/28/2009 04:32:43 AM PDT
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I'm guessing because people were abusing it in p3 of hardmode anub'arak?
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  • 4. Re: Aura Mastery useless in PvE, intended?   10/28/2009 04:37:50 AM PDT
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I'm guessing because people were abusing it in p3 of hardmode anub'arak?


Not familiar with hard mode ToC too well, how's it being used there?

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  • 5. Re: Aura Mastery useless in PvE, intended?   10/28/2009 04:38:29 AM PDT
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I'm guessing because people were abusing it in p3 of hardmode anub'arak?


That's hardly abusing the ability, and they'd certainly not solve it in a way that's easily overcome by the old Stack More of Class X trick.

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  • 6. Re: Aura Mastery useless in PvE, intended?   10/28/2009 04:45:15 AM PDT
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They just need to start deleting these %###ty %!*%ing cool downs they've loaded Paladins with and give them better healing tools they can use more often.
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  • 7. Re: Aura Mastery useless in PvE, intended?   10/28/2009 04:47:45 AM PDT
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They just need to start deleting these %###ty %!*%ing cool downs they've loaded Paladins with and give them better healing tools they can use more often.


I play a holy pally and I think my healing tools are fine.

An interesting situational ability got nerfed for seemingly PvP reasons, and I'm asking for a simple way to have my cake and eat it too (separate durations in PvE/PvP, for those who skim threads).

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  • 8. Re: Aura Mastery useless in PvE, intended?   10/28/2009 04:52:17 AM PDT
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I play a holy pally and I think my healing tools are fine.

An interesting situational ability got nerfed for seemingly PvP reasons, and I'm asking for a simple way to have my cake and eat it too (separate durations in PvE/PvP, for those who skim threads).


Your healing tools are crap. You have long situational cool downs to 'compensate'.

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  • 9. Re: Aura Mastery useless in PvE, intended?   10/28/2009 05:05:17 AM PDT
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Your healing tools are crap. You have long situational cool downs to 'compensate'.


If you're going to derail a thread with pointless QQ, at least try to back up your statements more. Aura Mastery does not "compensate" for anything. You're not in a raid to AoE heal if you're a paladin.

Beacon is an absolutely amazing healing tool, as is our sheer throughput.

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  • 10. Re: Aura Mastery useless in PvE, intended?   10/28/2009 05:37:39 AM PDT
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I also found it very useful at H Jaraxxus 25, to prevent interrupts from Mistress' Kiss. It's on a 2 min CD, and if people get the portal/mistress fast enough, it deals with the problem. It helps at faction champs as well.

I'm not sure why Aura Mastery was nerfed. Was it because of PvP reasons? I can't say I'm into PvP, so I wouldn't know. But if that's the case, making it last 6 in arena and 'up to 10 seconds" in PvE would be a nice solution.

They will constantly say they don't want to give abilities different effects for pvp and pve.
Of course, its also hypocritical since all CC is down to 10 seconds in pvp/arenas.

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  • 11. Re: Aura Mastery useless in PvE, intended?   10/28/2009 06:34:45 AM PDT
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I also found it very useful at H Jaraxxus 25, to prevent interrupts from Mistress' Kiss. It's on a 2 min CD, and if people get the portal/mistress fast enough, it deals with the problem. It helps at faction champs as well.


Aura mastery doesn't prevent the lockout from kiss in H J25.
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  • 13. Re: Aura Mastery useless in PvE, intended?   10/28/2009 06:59:50 AM PDT
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And why would you think it's purely for PvP?


Because Blizzard is not in the habit of nerfing PvE and micromanaging abilities unless there is serious imbalance, which there isn't.


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AM is also very powerful in PvE. I agree with the other person who said that Pallies should have less cooldown abilities, and more (AoE?) healing capabilities.


HL glyph and Beacon are as AoE as the pally will or should get. You're simply playing the wrong class if these aren't enough for you.

There's a healer similar to a paladin with more conventional AoE spells, and it's called a resto shaman.

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  • 14. Re: Aura Mastery useless in PvE, intended?   10/28/2009 07:45:15 AM PDT
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Aura mastery doesn't prevent the lockout from kiss in H J25.


really? it prevents it in H10..

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  • 16. Re: Aura Mastery useless in PvE, intended?   10/28/2009 08:33:45 AM PDT
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Your healing tools are crap. You have long situational cool downs to 'compensate'.


That's our style of healing. Not so much the healing spells themselves, but what we have are a set of potent CDs and buffs that albeit situational, are unmatched by other classes and when the time comes to use them, they do their job well.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice to move away from the spammy nature of our healing, but the CDs are what separate us from just healers to supporters.

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  • 17. Re: Aura Mastery useless in PvE, intended?   10/28/2009 08:49:39 AM PDT
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It's most likely a PvE & PvP nerf.

In PvE, Aura Mastery reduces incoming damage quite noticeable and can be chained into Divine Sacrifice.
In PvP, a Paladin can Aura Mastery + Bubble and keep their team-mates up.
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  • 18. Re: Aura Mastery useless in PvE, intended?   10/28/2009 09:20:24 AM PDT
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Yogg+0 phase 3. Will still be nice to use for that.
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  • 19. Re: Aura Mastery useless in PvE, intended?   10/28/2009 02:24:42 PM PDT
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really? it prevents it in H10..


It does. I use it. You still get hit by the damage, but not by the interrupt. Unless it was hotfixed after last Thursday, which is when we last faced Jaraxxus H 25, it does prevent it.

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