---

Q u o t e:


You're still tanking, but at a fraction of the effectiveness of other tanks. Even after your recent lame and inadequate un-nerfs, I would never trust a DK tank as my OT.

All you guys needed was the cd on IBF changed. Instead, Blizzard flailed around futilely, nerfing every aspect of DK tanking EXCEPT for IBF. You armor and health should never have been gutted. WotN should not have an icd.

Now they are going to break paladins and make us as worthless as you guys? If this were the only thing coming it would not be a huge deal in and of itself. But until Blizzard corrects the stamina scaling problem, paladins will always be considered a class in need of major nerfs. The smart thing to do--- which absolutely assures that this is not what Blizzard will do--- would be to tune paladin stamina scaling down, warrior scaling up a small amount, and death knight stamina scaling should improve substantially..

---

Quoted for lulz, just this morning you paladins were telling us dks and warriors to quite qqing, we were fine because we could still tank all content in the game.

My how the tables turn when its you guys who are in the gutters with us.

On another not this makes you the ideal off tanks, for druids.

Im sorry but this is just to good to pass up.

---

Q u o t e:
You're right. It would make a lot more sense to compare it to changing Frenzied Regen to only be castable on someone else. Would it be that big a nerf to your ability to tank? Not really. Would you be upset about it? If you're like me you would be, because that would be a pointless change. Why 'fix' what isn't broken?

---

Paladin tanks were arguing that LoH wasnt a valid tanking cd for them. Now it really isnt.

---

Q u o t e:


So we lose our self heal and gain some fluky worthless gimmick talent that requires us to be in an empty group and to blow ourselves up? Heckuva trade there!

---

Or just do absolutely nothing extraordinary and hit DS/cancelaura macro for a free cooldown.

---

Q u o t e:


Threatening to quit does not typically get you the response you're looking for.

---

I demand a free penguin pet, or i quit.

---

Q u o t e:



Quoted for lulz, just this morning you paladins were telling us dks and warriors to quite qqing, we were fine because we could still tank all content in the game.

My how the tables turn when its you guys who are in the gutters with us.

On another not this makes you the ideal off tanks, for druids.

Im sorry but this is just to good to pass up.

---

If you had any freaking clue what you were talking about, you might not drool all over your keyboard. I have NEVER said you were fine. I have NEVER said that dk's and warriors didn't need buffs since you were nerfed. I have ALWAYS opposed nerfs to your class, and have ALWAYS advocated eliminating nerfs, including the icd to WotN.

---

Q u o t e:


Threatening to quit does not typically get you the response you're looking for.

---

you would agree that it does express their frustration over the change though, yes?

---

Q u o t e:


Threatening to quit does not typically get you the response you're looking for.

---

somebody had too much coffee before bedtime

---

Q u o t e:

you would agree that it does express their frustration over the change though, yes?

---

Over what .. a datamined change that was reverted internally but didn't make it into the latest PTR client?

Yeah, that's sure something to get worked up over. Not.

---

Q u o t e:


Over what .. a datamined change that was reverted internally but didn't make it into the latest PTR client?

Yeah, that's sure something to get worked up over. Not.

---

if you agree with it or not wasnt really the point.

---

Q u o t e:


Threatening to quit does not typically get you the response you're looking for.

---

And you--- instead of addressing a situation, you snarkily berate someone for the manner in which they post. TRY ADDRESSING AN ISSUE IN A STRAIGHTFORWARD MANNER FOR ONCE. Otherwise you might just as well stay in hiding. Posts like that do zero good to the poster you scold, zero good to the discussion, and has zero benefit to the forums in general.

---

Q u o t e:


If you had any freaking clue what you were talking about, you might not drool all over your keyboard. I have NEVER said you were fine. I have NEVER said that dk's and warriors didn't need buffs since you were nerfed. I have ALWAYS opposed nerfs to your class, and have ALWAYS advocated eliminating nerfs, including the icd to WotN.

---

Not drooling laughing, neither change is even on the ptr yet and paladins are out in force saying its unacceptable and threatening to rage quit, many of the same paladins that said dks and warriors were fine and we needed to l2play.

neither change is on the ptr yet.

I feel for ghost crawler and the other blues even if the change is not on the ptr and never goeslive this data mined data is gonna create one hell of a storm for them.

---

Q u o t e:


And you--- instead of addressing a situation, you snarkily berate someone for the manner in which they post. TRY ADDRESSING AN ISSUE IN A STRAIGHTFORWARD MANNER FOR ONCE. Otherwise you might just as well stay in hiding. Posts like that do zero good to the poster you scold, zero good to the discussion, and has zero benefit to the forums in general.

---

He did. It's on the healing forums. Stop fishing for reasons to get outraged over nothing man.

---

Q u o t e:


Over what .. a datamined change that was reverted internally but didn't make it into the latest PTR client?

Yeah, that's sure something to get worked up over. Not.

---

you see the eruption and a special note from GC himself about the datamined info.... man, i wish other tanking classes got half as much attention to their tears and problems as pallys get, maybe then things would be more balanced

---

Q u o t e:


you see the eruption and a special note from GC himself about the datamined info.... man, i wish other tanking classes got half as much attention to their tears and problems as pallys get, maybe then things would be more balanced

---

A change that wasn't supposed to make the PTR got on. You don't think GC's going to make a "special note" to tell the people on forums like this one to not get worked up about it?

---

Q u o t e:


He did. It's on the healing forums. Stop fishing for reasons to get outraged over nothing man.

---

i just went back 5 pages on the healing forums and i dont see it.

could you provide a link?

---

Q u o t e:


i just went back 5 pages on the healing forums and i dont see it.

could you provide a link?

---

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677861597&sid=1

Reading stickes is VERY compilcated business.

---

Q u o t e:


A change that wasn't supposed to make the PTR got on. You don't think GC's going to make a "special note" to tell the people on forums like this one to not get worked up about it?

---

lol, yeah if they accidentially removed shield block from warrior, I would sure hope GC would make a post letting us know it was an accident, because I can gaurentee I would be on here complaing about them nerfing shield block due to PvP

---

Q u o t e:

lol, yeah if they accidentially removed shield block from warrior, I would sure hope GC would make a post letting us know it was an accident, because I can gaurentee I would be on here complaing about them nerfing shield block due to PvP

---

I would be right along side you in complaining too. It would be a bad change weakening Warrior tanks.

---

Q u o t e:


A change that wasn't supposed to make the PTR got on. You don't think GC's going to make a "special note" to tell the people on forums like this one to not get worked up about it?

---

so what, its the ptr, stuff comes, goes, and gets changed... thats why its the test realm! but just seeing the tidal wave of tears and the special attention to pallys over the other tanking classes shows just how little the other tanking classes should expect in the upcoming patch