gtfo if you like playing an unbalanced game.

that said here are the rules. start with 10 "points". you have one tree, DPS. if you buy another tree for 2 points you get 7 starter points in that tree, 5 points in a tree represents the bare minimum to accomplish that role.

Here are the base "pure" classes with 10 points in DPS.

Rogue:

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █

Mage:

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █

Warlock:

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █

Hunter:

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █

tier 1 "hybrids" (15 points)

Priest:

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ (6)

Healing - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (9)

Shaman

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (7)

Healing - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (8) currently at 7

DK:

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (8) currently at 7

Tank - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (7)

Warrior

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ █(7)

Tank - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (8) currently at 7

tier 2 hybrids (20 points)

Paladin:

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ (6)

Tank - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (8) currently at 9

Heal - █ █ █ █ █ █ (6)

Druid:

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ (6) currently at 8 for cats

Tank - █ █ █ █ █ █ █  (7) currently at 9

Healing - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (7) currently at 8

what does this chart show?

Shamans need a healing boost, Warriors need a tanking boost, Paladins and Druids need a tanking nerf, and druids need a heal nerf and a dps nerf.

Why, this makes so much sense with the made up rules and numbers.

How is that anything but your personal opinions?

Because having access to something you don't want to do with your character means you should be worse at what you do want to do. Makes perfect sense.

I wish I could come up with an arbitrary way of representing my goals. Let's see, if I allocate 3 points here, and 2 points there...


You fail. Leave the forums.


Blizzard is relatively happy with the balance of things currently. We've explained the imbalances, and they just DON'T CARE. They have a vision of what they want, and we have to go along with it. Or stop playing. I'm going along with it. I can still tank pretty much anything I want to tank (though hardmode Gomok certainly favors our pallytank) and until Blizz sees fit to change their view, that's the way its going to stay.

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Q u o t e:

OP:

stupidity - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █

Sense -

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I expect multiple pages.

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you could have easily rolled a character without that access.

what makes you think that you can have that "access" for free? jack of all trades master of none.

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I've played the same class since day 1 of WoW - not about to reroll ty. And blizz has made pretty clear they want all specs viable (aka roughly on par). Get rid of the lost 2 points per additional tree and you might be onto something.

I'd crush this with reason and logic but the wall of stupid hurted two much...

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you could have easily rolled a character without that access.

what makes you think that you can have that "access" for free? jack of all trades master of none.

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Actually, there is no possible way I could have rolled a tank without access to DPS.

Or that a healer could roll a healing class, with no DPS.

According to your breakdown, we should take it another step:

Warlock, Rogue, Mage, Hunter all have crowd control, so they should be even with, say, a tank/DPS or heal/DPS character that doesn't have crowd control.

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Q u o t e:
gtfo if you like playing an unbalanced game.

that said here are the rules. start with 10 "points". you have one tree, DPS. if you buy another tree for 2 points you get 7 starter points in that tree, 5 points in a tree represents the bare minimum to accomplish that role.

Here are the base "pure" classes with 10 points in DPS.

Rogue:

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █

Mage:

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █

Warlock:

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █

Hunter:

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █

tier 1 "hybrids" (15 points)

Priest:

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ (6)

Healing - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (9)

Shaman

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (7)

Healing - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (8) currently at 7

DK:

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (8) currently at 7

Tank - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (7)

Warrior

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ █(7)

Tank - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (8) currently at 7

tier 2 hybrids (20 points)

Paladin:

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ (6)

Tank - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (8) currently at 9

Heal - █ █ █ █ █ █ (6)

Druid:

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ (6) currently at 8 for cats

Tank - █ █ █ █ █ █ █  (7) currently at 9

Healing - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (7) currently at 8

what does this chart show?

Shamans need a healing boost, Warriors need a tanking boost, Paladins and Druids need a tanking nerf, and druids need a heal nerf and a dps nerf.

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Except your logic is flawed in two ways.

1) If you're looking for "Balance", then every class should be equal in every regard. Therefore, your Hybrid Trees should look like this:

tier 1 "hybrids" (15 points)

Priest:

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ █  (7)

Healing - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (8)

Shaman

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (7)

Healing - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (8) 

DK:

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (7) 

Tank - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (8)

Warrior

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ █(7)

Tank - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (8) 

tier 2 hybrids (20 points)

Paladin:

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ (6)

Tank - █ █ █ █ █ █ █  (7) 

Heal - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (7)

Druid:

DPS - █ █ █ █ █ █ (6) 

Tank - █ █ █ █ █ █ █  (7) 

Healing - █ █ █ █ █ █ █ (7) 

That would make it "Balanced", because everyone is exactly the same in their ability through the trees, and Tier 1 Hybrids would do more DPS and Healing than Tier 2 Hybrids, while Tier 1 Tank Hybrids would tank better than Tier 2 Tank Hybrids.

Point 2) This is YOUR interpretation of the current game. Everyone else is going to have a different analysis, with different suggestions, and all of them are likely to be different than what is Blizzard's design philosophy. They have their ideas for each individual class, and each individual role, and I don't think their purpose is to make everyone the exact same in capability.

So... "balance" to you means "only bring the pure classes"?

But, I don't want my model for Paladin to be 6/8/6... I want it to be 8/6/6...

or 6/6/8... or 5/10/5...

if only there was a way to 'customize' my character so that I could play the way I wanted to...


















OH WAIT, THERE IS!!!!

on a side note, who would ever play a DPS if their output was 6? yeah...
nice arbitrary numbers though. classes are closer than they have ever been, and the 'hybrid' vs 'greater hybrid' debate is dead.

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you could have easily rolled a character without that access.

what makes you think that you can have that "access" for free? jack of all trades master of none.

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Your chart showed that there are no master tanks or master healers. How's that going to go over?

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your character class is currently unbalanced. why would you reroll if it were balanced?

seems like a waste of time to me

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Paladin has been craptacular most of vanilla and tbc. Maybe being on par with other classes is a way to balance across time? I'm still not convinced that paladins - and protadins in particular - are more powerful than other classes.