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Manoftheyear

Dragonmaw

100. Re: Can you do the random daily with a non-pu 10/28/2009 02:30:53 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

I do find it funny when people assume that Blizzard is completely idiotic when it implements a system like this :)

He said that the group leader has the option to tell the tool to not fill out the group at any point. If one pally with a lot of free time and the ego the size of Mount Rushmore wanted to try to solo the daily heroic, he could just join to get the reward for himself without having the tool fill out the group for him.

But he also said, "You need a full group of five people to start the Daily Random Heroic through the Dungeon System."

Belteshazzar

< Mutiny >

Ursin

101. Re: Can you do the random daily with a non-pu 10/28/2009 02:31:39 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
Havent seen this answered before, hope I didn't just miss the answer

How do the heroic lockouts work with the random heroic system. If you say do Halls of stone on your server and then join LFG and the system picks halls of stone as the random what happens? Does it let you in anyway? Does it try and match you with a different group? does it just pick a different dungeon? I'm assuming once you do a random for a heroic you are saved for that one and cant do it again later in the day with a guild group for example.

I believe all the dungeons are considered their own server (just like the battlegrounds). So if you had 5 for a specific dungeon (ie you never used the LFG tool) and one had to go, you could jump into LFG and pull someone from any server to join the dungeon. The random dungeons would just choose from available raid IDs.

Feandel

< The Spartan Legion >

The Scryers

102. Re: Can you do the random daily with a non-pu 10/28/2009 02:32:15 PM PDT

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And a group of 4 can't already do that? Except now it only takes a vote of 1?

Yeah, that's true. In the grand scheme it doesn't really matter I suppose.

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Miranda

Grizzly Hills

103. Re: Can you do the random daily with a non-pu 10/28/2009 02:40:34 PM PDT

Since it's been clarified that you must fill out your group of 5 to do the random daily heroic through the upcoming lfg interface, can you please make it so that people who wish to underman it to be able to do so? I have a regular group of 3 other friends and we have always 4 manned the dungeons and wish to continue playing this way. Please don't force us to pug a 5th member to obtain the new Emblems of Frost when up to this point we have been able to underman without penalty. I'm not asking for the system to grant a greater reward for undermanning. I am asking that friends who choose to underman be able to continue enjoying to do so while being eligible for the Emblem of Frost reward like any other 5 man group. Penalization by being forced to pug that one last slot greatly diminishes the way we enjoy dungeons. I see that it's theoretically possible for my group to be jerks and vote to kick that one pugged person to achieve our aims and that's just not even an option for us. Please allow the new LFG interface to let groups choose to underman the random daily heroic for the Emblems of Frost.

Koyanisqatsi

< Martys Minions >

Illidan

104. Re: Can you do the random daily with a non-pu 10/28/2009 02:41:12 PM PDT

If your random dungeon is so universally disliked by your party that you disband will you be out of luck for your daily frost badges?

Belteshazzar

< Mutiny >

Ursin

105. Re: Can you do the random daily with a non-pu 10/28/2009 02:41:14 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

But he also said, "You need a full group of five people to start the Daily Random Heroic through the Dungeon System."

I hadn't noticed that. I suspect that requirement will get removed if enough people really voice the concern over 4-manning it. Or you could always ask in guild or trade chat for someone to join the group so you can start the instance, then they'd leave immediately.

Murianna

< Apostles of the Phoe… >

Ysera

106. Re: Can you do the random daily with a non-pu 10/28/2009 02:43:05 PM PDT

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If your random dungeon is so universally disliked by your party that you disband will you be out of luck for your daily frost badges?

This has to do with someone's question about running your random heroic if the other 4 members of your pug already did theirs.

What if, Blizzard, what if?

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Limes

Skywall

107. Re: Can you do the random daily with a non-pu 10/28/2009 02:43:30 PM PDT

Question:

If you have five people in your group and choose the Random Daily Heroic, and it turns out to be Occulus. Can you all disband, reform the group, wait 15 minutes (since you'll have a deserter debuff) and then choose Random Daily Heroic and be able to complete a different heroic dungeon for your two Emblems of Frost?

Shandretta

< Land of Misfit Toys >

Whisperwind

108. Re: Can you do the random daily with a non-pu 10/28/2009 02:48:15 PM PDT

I would like some clarification on the fail result, not just the victory result. If you are placed with a group that is unable/unwilling to complete the instance.

I assume you will get the deserter debuff, but will you also be able to get a fresh random instance for frost emblems that day, or was that your shot? And is the outcome different if you say, manage the first couple bosses but can't down the last guy?

Further, are you planning on having higher gear score guidelines for the harder heroics, I don't mean ToC, Icecrown, I mean Halls of Stone/UP vs UK/VH.

Figgy

< Keebler Gank Squad >

Frostmane

109. Re: Can you do the random daily with a non-pu 10/28/2009 02:50:04 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
You need a full group of five people to start the Daily Random Heroic through the Dungeon System. If, however, a player leaves the group once everyone is inside the instance, the group can continue without filling the vacancy.

easy enough. get 4 ppl, invite some random PuG'er, start run, votekick PuG'er, 4 man run like normal.

now the question remains, what if we want to 3 man it? can 3 people vote kick a 4th, or can only 4 people votekick a 5th?

Ruslana

Hyjal

110. Re: Can you do the random daily with a non-pu 10/28/2009 02:55:11 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

easy enough. get 4 ppl, invite some random PuG'er, start run, votekick PuG'er, 4 man run like normal.

Blizz shouldn't force us to act like jerks to play the game the way we want to play it. I think it's silly that you need to pug a 5th just to get in the dungeon, but then if you boot the person you can continue on like normal. Why not just allow us the option to start the dungeon even if the group is not full yet? Easy solution.

Murianna

< Apostles of the Phoe… >

Ysera

111. Re: Can you do the random daily with a non-pu 10/28/2009 02:55:39 PM PDT

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easy enough. get 4 ppl, invite some random PuG'er, start run, votekick PuG'er, 4 man run like normal.

now the question remains, what if we want to 3 man it? can 3 people vote kick a 4th, or can only 4 people votekick a 5th?

I'm intrigued by the reasons why some people are hell bent in running heroics with less than 5, do you mean you and your other 2 accounts?

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Ruslana

Hyjal

112. Re: Can you do the random daily with a non-pu 10/28/2009 02:59:12 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

I'm intrigued by the reasons why some people are hell bent in running heroics with less than 5, do you mean you and your other 2 accounts?

Simple, you play with 3 friends as a cohesive unit and don't want your party disrupted by a random PUG. What's hard to understand about that?

Gargarensis

< Five Horsemen >

Demon Soul

113. Re: Can you do the random daily with a non-pu 10/28/2009 03:00:27 PM PDT

lol if this is an attempt to make more people do occ. it wont work. if the random heroic is occ i will not do it.
i am NEVER going to do occ. random/daily heroic or not

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Zarhym

Blizzard Poster

114. Re: Can you do the random daily with a non-pu 10/28/2009 03:02:33 PM PDT

There are a lot of questions coming in. I'll try to answer as many as I can, but we'll also work to put together a FAQ about the Dungeon System and LFR tool to spread awareness about the way they function.

Please bear in mind all of this functionality is subject to revision during the public testing process.

Q u o t e:

Is there going to be some information released about minimum gear item level requirements, and how to calculate them? I doubt it will be an issue for most characters, but from observation on the PTR it looks like brand new level 80s and some very undergeared alts are going to be unable to queue for both ToC/Icecrown normal instances and all Wrath heroic instances through the new system. More feedback than "get better gear" would be helpful in that case.

We'll look into this.

Q u o t e:

When is the particular dungeon determined and is it fixed if you degroup? Say you find yourself assigned Oculus and you have no desire to do that. If you degroup (taking the deserter debuff) and jump back into LFG 15 minutes later, are you locked into having Oculus once it has been assigned once even though you haven't completed it?

The dungeon is determined once the group is filled. If the group does not like the instance that's been selected, they can leave, get the Deserter debuff, and try again to get a different random dungeon once the 15-minute debuff dissipates.

Q u o t e:
Are the random dungeon emblem rewards independent based? By this I mean, say I join a group where a few members already did their first random dungeon for the day, but I have yet to do a reward. Will I still get my 2 Emblem of Frost or will I get 2 Emblem of Triumphs.

As long as you select to do a random Heroic dungeon and it's your first for the day, you will be given the daily reward for completing that dungeon.

Q u o t e:
Is a character still limited to doing each dungeon in heroic mode once per day? That is, if one continues to use the "Random" option, is it possible to get the same heroic dungeon more than once in a day?

I'd assume not; that is, the list of available heroic dungeons would be reduced each time you complete one, until (if you were really keen and fast!) the list would be empty until the daily reset.

If the Random option is repeatedly selected, players can run the same Heroic dungeon more than once a day. If a specific dungeon is chosen through the Dungeon System, that specific dungeon cannot be chosen more than once a day.

You could technically be given, say, Heroic Culling of Stratholme repeatedly when choosing the Random option and be eligible to repeatedly run that Heroic dungeon in one day. You cannot, however, repeatedly choose Culling of Stratholme in the Dungeon System.

If you run Heroic Culling of Stratholme through the Random option, you cannot select that Heroic instance specifically again in the Dungeon System. If you choose to run Heroic Culling of Stratholme rather than pick the Random option, there is a chance you will be selected to run Heroic Culling of Stratholme again if you pick the Random option later that same day.

Q u o t e:

Cool. So any news on your next move to screw over pugging? Maybe hand out free achievements for killing KT even if you've never stepped in Naxx? Sounds like a good idea. Because people with no experience whatsoever need to cause fails in ToC too right?

Perhaps if you phrased your questions in a more constructive way rather than presenting rhetorical complaints in the form of questions, I'd be inclined to discuss matters more in-depth with you. :)

Q u o t e:
Can a specific dungeon be excluded when you hit the Random Dungeon?

If you are already saved to a dungeon what happens if that turns out to be the one chosen by the Random Dungeon?

No, you cannot exclude a dungeon through the Random option. As I said above, being saved to a Heroic dungeon will not render you unable to run that Heroic dungeon again if it is selected at random.

[ Post edited by Zarhym ]

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Fenris

115. Re: Can you do the random daily with a non-pu 10/28/2009 03:10:30 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
There are a lot of questions coming in. I'll try to answer as many as I can, but we'll also work to put together a FAQ about the Dungeon System and LFR tool to spread awareness about the way they function.

Please bear in mind all of this functionality is subject to revision during the public testing process.

We'll look into this.

The dungeon is determined once the group is filled. If the group does not like the instance that's been selected, they can leave, get the Deserter debuff, and try again to get a different random dungeon once the 15-minute debuff dissipates.

As long as you select to do a random Heroic dungeon and it's your first for the day, you will be given the daily reward for completing that dungeon.

If the Random option is repeatedly selected, players can run the same Heroic dungeon more than once a day. If a specific dungeon is chosen through the Dungeon System, that specific dungeon cannot be chosen more than once a day.

You could technically be given, say, Heroic Culling of Stratholme repeatedly when choosing the Random option and be eligible to repeatedly run that Heroic dungeon in one day. You cannot, however, repeatedly choose Culling of Stratholme in the Dungeon System.

If you run Heroic Culling of Stratholme through the Random option, you cannot select that Heroic instance specifically again in the Dungeon System. If you choose to run Heroic Culling of Stratholme rather than pick the Random option, there is a chance you will be selected to run Heroic Culling of Stratholme again if you pick the Random option later that same day.

Perhaps if you phrased your questions in a more constructive way rather than presenting rhetorical complaints in the form of questions, I'd be inclined to discuss matters more in-depth with you. :)

No, you cannot exclude a dungeon through the Random option. As I said above, being saved to a Heroic dungeon will not render you unable to run that Heroic dungeon again if it is selected at random.

It's hard to expect my questions to have any effect when this big train of userfriendlifying is already in motion. Anyways, I apologize for putting that how I did, it's very cool of you to actually go through and answer the questions. This really is a concern of mine though. What should be the medium for deciding if someone is competent for a PuG raid anymore?

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Jengor

Dragonblight

116. Re: Can you do the random daily with a non-pu 10/28/2009 03:14:34 PM PDT

That's cool that it effectively allows you to bypass being saved to a dungeon. You could get a group going and run dungeons til the cows come home.

When you say that the random group system matches item levels with other players, does this mean that it tries to group people with a similar item level, or of an average item level?

So basically, would a well-geared person be grouped with other well-geared people, or would they be grouped with poorly-geared people to "compensate" for them being "under the threshold" so to speak?

Ikillyoumore

< Red Dragon Knights >

Aggramar

117. Re: Can you do the random daily with a non-pu 10/28/2009 03:21:16 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
There are a lot of questions coming in. I'll try to answer as many as I can, but we'll also work to put together a FAQ about the Dungeon System and LFR tool to spread awareness about the way they function.

Please bear in mind all of this functionality is subject to revision during the public testing process.

We'll look into this.

The dungeon is determined once the group is filled. If the group does not like the instance that's been selected, they can leave, get the Deserter debuff, and try again to get a different random dungeon once the 15-minute debuff dissipates.

As long as you select to do a random Heroic dungeon and it's your first for the day, you will be given the daily reward for completing that dungeon.

If the Random option is repeatedly selected, players can run the same Heroic dungeon more than once a day. If a specific dungeon is chosen through the Dungeon System, that specific dungeon cannot be chosen more than once a day.

You could technically be given, say, Heroic Culling of Stratholme repeatedly when choosing the Random option and be eligible to repeatedly run that Heroic dungeon in one day. You cannot, however, repeatedly choose Culling of Stratholme in the Dungeon System.

If you run Heroic Culling of Stratholme through the Random option, you cannot select that Heroic instance specifically again in the Dungeon System. If you choose to run Heroic Culling of Stratholme rather than pick the Random option, there is a chance you will be selected to run Heroic Culling of Stratholme again if you pick the Random option later that same day.

Perhaps if you phrased your questions in a more constructive way rather than presenting rhetorical complaints in the form of questions, I'd be inclined to discuss matters more in-depth with you. :)

No, you cannot exclude a dungeon through the Random option. As I said above, being saved to a Heroic dungeon will not render you unable to run that Heroic dungeon again if it is selected at random.

sounds like alot of fun to me... being able to get a group together quickly has always been a issue for me and ended up being why i ran my main so little... i love to run stuff and with this ill be able to run constantly compared to the barely at all its become right now

Zarhym

Blizzard Poster

118. Re: Can you do the random daily with a non-pu 10/28/2009 03:23:14 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
What should be the medium for deciding if someone is competent for a PuG raid anymore?

Performance, Achievements, gear, etc. I don't see how the Dungeon System changes this. The LFR system will afford players who want to raid additional options for finding the best group and raid leader. Nothing is fundamentally changing with regards to expected performance in a pick-up raid. We're just giving players more tools to find a raid (realm-only) or dungeon (cross-realm) group. Each player is still accountable for his or her performance.

Q u o t e:
When you say that the random group system matches item levels with other players, does this mean that it tries to group people with a similar item level, or of an average item level?

It's going to try to group people with similar gear together, similar to the Arena system attempting to match teams with relatively equivalent ratings against each other.

[ Post edited by Zarhym ]

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Draugrim

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Nagrand

119. Re: Can you do the random daily with a non-pu 10/28/2009 03:27:43 PM PDT

You sort of answers this before, but if I got put in a dungeon that I -really- didn't want to do as my first random heroic of the day, and I drop group, wait the 15 minutes and join a new one, do I still get the 2 Frost Emblems? Or do I -have- to take the first random heroic that is presented to me to earn my Frost?

edit to add: Thank you for taking the time to answer all these questions, Zarhym.

[ Post edited by Draugrim ]

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