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You can already downgrade Emblems of Triumph. That functionality will not be taken away in 3.3.

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Yeah, someone else pointed out that I should be talking to the goblin in the sewers, since the vendor in Dalaran clearly doesn't like me enough to exchange those Triumph badges for me ... they must feel they're doing me a favor or something ...

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Yeah, someone else pointed out that I should be talking to the goblin in the sewers, since the vendor in Dalaran clearly doesn't like me enough to exchange those Triumph badges for me ... they must feel they're doing me a favor or something ...

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Blizzard left that itty bitty piece of info out. I had to find out in here that there was a way to downgrade your emblems of triumph.

Not only was that not reported, she is in the least expected place in the world, somewhere barely any raider goes.

Can we at least get a chance to buy the other emblems straight forward? going from the triumph goblin to the conquest dude to the valor one and then to the heroism chick is rather annoying.

On the ptr, there was a gold reward for doing the random the first time along with the frost emblems?

Is this still the case?

If so, will there be a gold reward for additional random dungeon runs after the first one completed?

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Yes, the leader can choose not to have the Dungeon System fill vacancies.

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Rather than simply not fill vacancies, why not reward players for under-manning their group?

4-man the instance? You get 2 additional Triumph Emblems.

3-man it? Get 1 additional Frost Emblem.

2-man it? The server grounds you for being clinically insance and politely suggests you go outside and get some fresh air.

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Yes, you get rewarded for completing the first Daily Random Heroic dungeon you do on any given day. It doesn't work like a quest anymore, so the choice will be random for each group formed through the selection of this option.

You can form a group of five players on your realm and then select the Daily Random Heroic dungeon through the Dungeon System tool. You will be rewarded just the same except for the fact that you will not get credit toward the pick-up group Achievement reward.

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Wow, so the quest will be gone completely? Does this apply to the TBC daily dungeon quests too? I hope not, as I like to solo them to grind the rep on my level 80 DK. Either that or I hope they seriously look at TBC reputations the way they are at WotLK ones.

I still don't get it. In an amazing new system that adds a ton of functionality, why take away an option people had previously? (Running a random dungeon for extra rewards with less than 5 people)

Is it just to promote the pug-ing ability of the system, an added incentive?

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Rather than simply not fill vacancies, why not reward players for under-manning their group?

4-man the instance? You get 2 additional Triumph Emblems.

3-man it? Get 1 additional Frost Emblem.

2-man it? The server grounds you for being clinically insance and politely suggests you go outside and get some fresh air.

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Because a tank and a healer in Ulduar 10 gear can duo any heroic, except perhaps for ToC.

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I still don't get it. In an amazing new system that adds a ton of functionality, why take away an option people had previously? (Running a random dungeon for extra rewards with less than 5 people)

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What extra rewards do you get with the current system for running random dungeons with less than 5 people? besides the gold, that is.

And in case you're not reading, you CAN run it with only 4 if the leader so chooses.

Is a character still limited to doing each dungeon in heroic mode once per day? That is, if one continues to use the "Random" option, is it possible to get the same heroic dungeon more than once in a day?

I'd assume not; that is, the list of available heroic dungeons would be reduced each time you complete one, until (if you were really keen and fast!) the list would be empty until the daily reset.

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I still don't get it. In an amazing new system that adds a ton of functionality, why take away an option people had previously? (Running a random dungeon for extra rewards with less than 5 people)

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That option isn't taken away... or are you implying that another option is gone?

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Blizzard left that itty bitty piece of info out. I had to find out in here that there was a way to downgrade your emblems of triumph.

Not only was that not reported, she is in the least expected place in the world, somewhere barely any raider goes.

Can we at least get a chance to buy the other emblems straight forward? going from the triumph goblin to the conquest dude to the valor one and then to the heroism chick is rather annoying.

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You mean something akin to this?

"All Emblem Vendors will now use the lowest applicable Emblem for any purchase. Items requiring greater numbers of Emblems than the character possess will use the next highest rank of Emblems to meet the required number, excluding the highest rank of Emblems"

Which should have been done a while ago...

Actually...why is there a valor or heroism vendor anymore? You can't get those emblems anymore. Why aren't they all switched over to Conquest Emblems already?

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And in case you're not reading, you CAN run it with only 4 if the leader so chooses.

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My reading was that you would have to go into the dungeon with 4 chosen, 1 pugged. And then, the four could choose to Vote the 5th random person out. That seems a crazy set up just for 4 people to want to do a random daily heroic.

To be more specific, I read the comment that the leader can tell the system not to fill vacancies as only being after someone is voted out not prior to selecting random daily heroic.

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The Daily Random Heroic will award two Emblems of Frost upon completion (can be done once a day). The Daily Random normal dungeon will award two Emblems of Triumph upon completion (can be done once a day). If players continue to select "Random" via the Dungeon System when running Heroic dungeons after the Daily Random Heroic dungeon has been completed, they will receive two additional Emblems of Triumph for each random Heroic dungeon completed.

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So that "regular daily" (from timear mage) will disapear? The one that had only 4 possible dungeons.

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Yes, you get rewarded for completing the first Daily Random Heroic dungeon you do on any given day. It doesn't work like a quest anymore, so the choice will be random for each group formed through the selection of this option.

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When is the particular dungeon determined and is it fixed if you degroup? Say you find yourself assigned Oculus and you have no desire to do that. If you degroup (taking the deserter debuff) and jump back into LFG 15 minutes later, are you locked into having Oculus once it has been assigned once even though you haven't completed it?

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So that "regular daily" (from timear mage) will disapear? The one that had only 4 possible dungeons.

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Both of those dailies (Timear and Lan'dalock) are being removed and their associated achievements being moved to Feats of Strength come 3.3.

Are the random dungeon emblem rewards independent based? By this I mean, say I join a group where a few members already did their first random dungeon for the day, but I have yet to do a reward. Will I still get my 2 Emblem of Frost or will I get 2 Emblem of Triumphs.

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Is a character still limited to doing each dungeon in heroic mode once per day? That is, if one continues to use the "Random" option, is it possible to get the same heroic dungeon more than once in a day?

I'd assume not; that is, the list of available heroic dungeons would be reduced each time you complete one, until (if you were really keen and fast!) the list would be empty until the daily reset.

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Yes, you can run each heroic only once per day and only the first heroic rewards you with emblems of frost as long as it's "selected" via the "Random heroic" feature.

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Because a tank and a healer in Ulduar 10 gear can duo any heroic, except perhaps for ToC.

What extra rewards do you get with the current system for running random dungeons with less than 5 people? besides the gold, that is.

And in case you're not reading, you CAN run it with only 4 if the leader so chooses.

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Yeah I've 4-manned H VH with me, the tank, being the highest DPS. 1 additional Frost Emblem for people that are willing to spend an hour and a half clearing one heroic isn't going to be game changing is it? You limit it to x number of times a day (for argument's sake, let's say 3). It has to be done through the random heroic system, which means you won't get to pick which one shows up (or know in advance which one will be selected for you).

The people who will be doing this are going to be very dedicated anyways, and most likely a high-end raider to begin with, so all it really does is stream-line their gearing up process, while still providing an avenue for "more determined but non-raiding" folks to gather higher i-lvl gear just a bit faster than the less determined/driven people...and really, don't you want folks who show that sort of ability to be geared and ready to go as sub-ins for raids? Doesn't it show they've got some reasonably solid skills?