0. Please kill Rogue PvE weapon-swapping 10/28/2009 05:46:08 AM PDT
For rogues to compete now, they have to swap their offhand twice every 12 seconds or so. Please kill this like you said you would, as it is completely ridiculous and horrible to do. Give some minor haste and white hit buffs to rogues so they can compete with the better scaling plate wearers, etc instead.
Edit - For those who do not know, weapon swapping of this manner involves getting 5 deadly stacks up (deadly on your offhand), then swapping to dual instant (or wound for some combat fights), then swapping back to deadly offhand a few seconds before the deadly stack fades. GC stated this was not an intended mechanic, and would be killed if it became too viable/prevalent, which it has.
[ Post edited by Irian ]
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Haste and white hit buffs would not stomp the desire to weapon swap to maximize dps. The only way that would happen would have to be a number of changes:
Deadly poison's proc would have to be dropped down to a level where it'll essentially only proc once every 12 seconds.That itself is horribly annoying, but is the ONLY way I wouldn't weapon swap on my rogue. Since it'll take a full minute to get a full stack of deadly on a target, that means Deadly poison tick damage has to be altered extensively for anything below a stack of 5. As does Envenom's damage for anything less then 5 deadly's on the target.
The ONLY way to discourage rogue weapon swaps is to make the likelihood of deadly falling off a very real concern.
Q u o t e: For rogues to compete now, they have to swap their offhand twice every 12 seconds or so. Please kill this like you said you would, as it is completely ridiculous and horrible to do. Give some minor haste and white hit buffs to rogues so they can compete with the better scaling plate wearers, etc instead.
I completely agree. Weapon swapping is not fun, and is increasingly necessary
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Q u o t e: Haste and white hit buffs would not stomp the desire to weapon swap to maximize dps. The only way that would happen would have to be a number of changes:
Deadly poison's proc would have to be dropped down to a level where it'll essentially only proc once every 12 seconds.That itself is horribly annoying, but is the ONLY way I wouldn't weapon swap on my rogue. Since it'll take a full minute to get a full stack of deadly on a target, that means Deadly poison tick damage has to be altered extensively for anything below a stack of 5. As does Envenom's damage for anything less then 5 deadly's on the target.
The ONLY way to discourage rogue weapon swaps is to make the likelihood of deadly falling off a very real concern.
Getting deadly stacked in PvP is fragile enough as it is. I would really like to see the whole stack thing removed from deadly, either its on or its off.
With fully loaded eviscerate the rogues premiere coup-de-graw of choice critting on plate for just over lol 1k I dont see how it can be called a "finishing move" anymore. The only thing it finishes is me haveing combo points.
Useing envenom in PvP provides an excilent alternative however due to certain mechanics it is sometimes problematic at best.
Q u o t e: The ONLY way to discourage rogue weapon swaps is to make the likelihood of deadly falling off a very real concern.
Wouldn't it be simpler to make it so that whatever poison's debuff applied by your current weapon to your current target falls off if you swap that weapon for a different poison?
Possibly. Doesn't sound simpler to me though. I mean, how many items in game apply an aura to your target, but that aura is lost immediately if you unequip that item? There are tricks that can be done for a LOT of aura's in game (Particularly useful in arenas) just because aura's (buffs/debuffs) still aren't a perfect system.
guess your late on the news they are nerfing it.
next patch any poison by a weapon that is swaped out will be removed when the weapon is swaped.
im pretty sure that was how it went. no more 3 posion rogues and double wound while deadly is ticking.
it goes on the idea that poisens are applied in different ways, some from stabbing, some from slashing, some from splashing. as in my offhand just applied deadly poisen, and it will be 6 seconds before I can adjust that hand to properly apply different poisens.
Q u o t e: guess your late on the news they are nerfing it.
next patch any poison by a weapon that is swaped out will be removed when the weapon is swaped.
im pretty sure that was how it went. no more 3 posion rogues and double wound while deadly is ticking.
Good change is good.
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Q u o t e: Haste and white hit buffs would not stomp the desire to weapon swap to maximize dps. The only way that would happen would have to be a number of changes:
Deadly poison's proc would have to be dropped down to a level where it'll essentially only proc once every 12 seconds.That itself is horribly annoying, but is the ONLY way I wouldn't weapon swap on my rogue. Since it'll take a full minute to get a full stack of deadly on a target, that means Deadly poison tick damage has to be altered extensively for anything below a stack of 5. As does Envenom's damage for anything less then 5 deadly's on the target.
The ONLY way to discourage rogue weapon swaps is to make the likelihood of deadly falling off a very real concern.
Actually a much easier way to kill weapon swapping would be to wipe the poison off of it when you un-equip it.
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To kill weapon-swapping which is actually making our dps on par with other dps classes, we need buffs to the inherent mechanic of deadly poison damage.
Better idea: Make deadly poison like seal of vengence procs. When 5 stacks are up, any extra deadly poison procs refresh deadly poison and do an instant poison proc. Blizz can do the maths of how much the poison proc hits so that its roughly equal to weapon swap IP procs.
