0. GC balancing ret around duels 11/02/2009 04:48:56 PM PST
Q u o t e: Also, it doesn't mean paladins are being singled out for one-vs-one duel balance (though I'm sure I'm going to be reading that for months to come).
Well of course you are GC, what conclusion do you think people are going to draw from this? SS makes a huge difference 1v1 and definitely makes ret feel kinda 'tanky' there, but in arenas ret paladins are not particularly hard to burst down once and force a bubble, then do it a again, as it is. I have very serious doubts about ret's viability as an arena spec without SS to help us mitigate damage, and give us important utility.
And ret's not even overrepresented in arenas, so how can you possibly make us believe it is anything other than duels that you're balancing around? Nerfing prot paladin healing, that I can see. I understand the logic of pushing more healing into holy to prevent things like prot healers. But you're flat out ruining ret paladins and you need to wake up and pay attention, and stop balancing ret around the BG heroes.
PS: if you really feel the need to do something about ret's survivability to some degree, how about targetting the Sheath HoTs instead? At least if you removed those it wouldn't, you know, ruin the spec or make the playstyle less interesting.
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1. Re: GC balancing ret around duels 11/02/2009 05:02:55 PM PST
Self-fulfilling prophecy is self-fulfilling.
Hopefully "Ret is the only spec balanced around one vs. one" can join the annals of "Prot warriors will be nerfed until representation is equal" and "GC says you should choose avoidance over stam."
2. Re: GC balancing ret around duels 11/02/2009 05:05:28 PM PST
Q u o t e: Self-fulfilling prophecy is self-fulfilling.
Hopefully "Ret is the only spec balanced around one vs. one" can join the annals of "Prot warriors will be nerfed until representation is equal" and "GC says you should choose avoidance over stam."
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3. Re: GC balancing ret around duels 11/02/2009 05:05:36 PM PST
Q u o t e: Self-fulfilling prophecy is self-fulfilling.
Hopefully "Ret is the only spec balanced around one vs. one" can join the annals of "Prot warriors will be nerfed until representation is equal" and "GC says you should choose avoidance over stam."
And 80 will fix it
and Resil will fix it
etc.
Hey, if you can't laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at?
At least you are a good sport.
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Q u o t e: LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING BROTHER. WHEN WE MEET THE LICH KING IN ICECROWN CITADEL THIS SUNDAY, HE IS GOING TO BE IN FOR A WORLD OF HURT. OH YEAAAAAAH.
5. Re: GC balancing ret around duels 11/02/2009 05:06:23 PM PST
Q u o t e: Self-fulfilling prophecy is self-fulfilling.
Hopefully "Ret is the only spec balanced around one vs. one" can join the annals of "Prot warriors will be nerfed until representation is equal" and "GC says you should choose avoidance over stam."
I'm sorry to say it, but it DOES seem like you are pushing Ret to be balanced around duels and Battlegrounds. According to top Ret players, Ret just isn't very competitive way up on the Arena scale and there are statistics around that back that opinion up. I don't mind nerfing LoH, but nerfs to other things will only make the spec non-existent in top PvP.
6. Re: GC balancing ret around duels 11/02/2009 05:07:25 PM PST
I admit, it's a below the belt post title. But it's hard to find any other interpretation for this change. You made it clear that you want to change LoH because of the community perception of ret paladins. That's fine, doesn't change arenas, you do what you want to with LoH. Cool.
But what I'm reading is that SS is the same situation. You're nerfing it because we're really tanky 1v1. That's what it sounds like you're saying. And I really don't think we're particularly tanky in, say, 3v3. This seems like a case of you putting those duel situations ahead of arena balance, because you want to get the community as a whole off the ret QQ train. That's not ok.
7. Re: GC balancing ret around duels 11/02/2009 05:07:55 PM PST
Q u o t e: Self-fulfilling prophecy is self-fulfilling.
Hopefully "Ret is the only spec balanced around one vs. one" can join the annals of "Prot warriors will be nerfed until representation is equal" and "GC says you should choose avoidance over stam."
No mention of "Sub will get its major fixes in Wrath" or the one about nerfing DKs as long as they're good in pvp?
I think you deserve a little credit. No one's ever dodged that shot of mine.. But nobody gets lucky twice, either!
8. Re: GC balancing ret around duels 11/02/2009 05:08:03 PM PST
GC I'm actaully content you responded to this thread. Now I have one question for you. What can we as the "Retribution paladin community" effectively do to communicate our thoughts to you? We would like you to be on the same page as us as well as experience what we are experiencing. I'm asking you this because it is you who leads the great design team, and we would love some feedback to you as to where Retribution is heading, what are the design team goals for Retribution in arena? Those are just some things our community would like to know.
10. Re: GC balancing ret around duels 11/02/2009 05:08:18 PM PST
Q u o t e: Self-fulfilling prophecy is self-fulfilling.
Hopefully "Ret is the only spec balanced around one vs. one" can join the annals of "Prot warriors will be nerfed until representation is equal" and "GC says you should choose avoidance over stam."
Ret is not the only spec balanced around 1 v 1. It is, however, the only spec balanced around it's performance against low tier players and random pug BGs.
11. Re: GC balancing ret around duels 11/02/2009 05:08:37 PM PST
Q u o t e: Self-fulfilling prophecy is self-fulfilling.
Hopefully "Ret is the only spec balanced around one vs. one" can join the annals of "Prot warriors will be nerfed until representation is equal" and "GC says you should choose avoidance over stam."
Righteous Vengeance will not break Repentance.
Remember when you said this in beta?
3.0.8 Repentance broken by RV. Will be fixed in a future patch.
12. Re: GC balancing ret around duels 11/02/2009 05:08:56 PM PST
Q u o t e: Self-fulfilling prophecy is self-fulfilling.
Hopefully "Ret is the only spec balanced around one vs. one" can join the annals of "Prot warriors will be nerfed until representation is equal" and "GC says you should choose avoidance over stam."
You are also a communist.
Wrath of Lich King crits pvp for over 9000
pvp dies.
16. Re: GC balancing ret around duels 11/02/2009 05:10:53 PM PST
Q u o t e:
I'm sorry to say it, but it DOES seem like you are pushing Ret to be balanced around duels and Battlegrounds. According to top Ret players, Ret just isn't very competitive way up on the Arena scale and there are statistics around that back that opinion up. I don't mind nerfing LoH, but nerfs to other things will only make the class non-existent in top PvP.
17. Re: GC balancing ret around duels 11/02/2009 05:11:38 PM PST
Q u o t e:
Ret is not the only spec balanced around 1 v 1. It is, however, the only spec balanced around it's performance against low tier players and random pug BGs.
elemental and destruction say hi.
Also somehow rogues manage to avoid the bg/duel nerf bat =(
18. Re: GC balancing ret around duels 11/02/2009 05:12:31 PM PST
Q u o t e: Self-fulfilling prophecy is self-fulfilling.
Hopefully "Ret is the only spec balanced around one vs. one" can join the annals of "Prot warriors will be nerfed until representation is equal" and "GC says you should choose avoidance over stam."
