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The LFG channel which will require me to be in a capital city. :(

Don't get me wrong here, I don't have anything against cross-server instancing, but much like when cross-server battlegrounds were implemented, you're removing options for us who prefer to play with people on our own servers, and it makes no sense to me. Add features, definitely, but don't take them away!

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I'm sorry but im just glad they implemented cross server bg's. I wouldn't see myself doing a battleground here in Windrunner alongside the horde, we'd just never win.

On the other hand i believe it will greatly help server imbalance issues concerning the factions, im pretty sure chog'all and my server will enjoy it greatly.

And to be honest, I can't give a flying about social issues in servers. Just a couple of minutes on the trade chat is enough to give me a headache and a disgust for my own server. Friendships? Yeah right, maybe when we kill sargeras.

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As far as ninjas go, the default loot system will be Need Before Greed and cannot be changed if the group is cross-realm. The Need Before Greed system will be more intuitive as well so a player can't just roll Need on everything to try and ninja items by luck.

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I see that you've covered all your bases when it comes to screwing enchanters.

Master loot was our only salvation. Thank you for taking that from us.

Zarhym PLEASE HELP!

Can you please deny/confirm that the LFG channel will be confined to cities only, and not available while out questing, grinding, farming or doing dailies.

This is sad and terrible news, that there will no longer be a global /lfg that I can monitor while playing an alt, looking for fun opportunities for my main.

It's terrible news, and I just have to know if it's true or not. Please confirm or deny? Put my worries to rest? Please?

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It will only make it more difficult because people will be using the new system. That just indicates that your desires might not be as widely shared as you're claiming.

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No, it makes it more difficult because the tools a lot of us ARE CURRENTLY USING are being taken away.

If they were still there, which they wont be, and -then- everyone was using the new system, therefore making it harder, you would be correct.

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Not if you use the Dungeon system, select the Random Heroic Dungeon option, and that same Heroic dungeon comes up for you.

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Is there any limit to the number of heroics per day I can do? As this is actually interesting to me. :-)

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I join pick-up groups all the time. Sometimes I get grouped with bad players on my realm because I don't know everyone. I don't expect that threshold to rise incrementally simply because I'm playing with people from other realms. Ultimately, World of Warcraft players are part of one big community. Sure there are smaller communities within, but to assume your realm has more integrity or experienced players than any other realm is just... well, assumptive.

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The key difference is that you can't screen someone who is automatically added to your group via an imperfect matchmaking system. For all you know, you could be getting someone who is AFK!

Look, all we're asking is that the existing LFG feature not be removed in favour of a LFG chat channel. There's absolutely no benefit to not doing so.

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Zarhym PLEASE HELP!

Can you please deny/confirm that the LFG channel will be confined to cities only, and not available while out questing, grinding, farming or doing dailies.

This is sad and terrible news, that there will no longer be a global /lfg that I can monitor while playing an alt, looking for fun opportunities for my main.

It's terrible news, and I just have to know if it's true or not. Please confirm or deny? Put my worries to rest? Please?

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It was posted by a blue that the LFG channel would be just like the trade channel, available in city's. I'm not sure what more "confirmation" you need than that. It's why there's lots of us asking them NOT to do this, as we don't want to be stuck sitting in a city somewhere just to monitor this channel. Instead I'd rather be out playing an alt, etc. I mean worst case, I have multiple accounts, I can just park one account in a city and write some kind of LFG broadcaster app to send it to my other toons. I guess I could work around this, but it does seem like a step backwards.

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Its pretty obvious that Blizzard wants you to sit in a major city doing nothing.

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Which isn't any different than now.

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Not if you use the Dungeon system, select the Random Heroic Dungeon option, and that same Heroic dungeon comes up for you.

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I'd assume you made it so the emblem just won't drop for that 1 person then. Since if I understand correctly you are saying a group can beat 1 boss in a heroic and then if the group falls apart that person can then join another group for the same instance to finish it. Unless you are going as far as getting rid of heroic timers.

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I'd assume you made it so the emblem just won't drop for that 1 person then. Since if I understand correctly you are saying a group can beat 1 boss in a heroic and then if the group falls apart that person can then join another group for the same instance to finish it.

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I hope not, I kind of like the idea of endless emblem farming.

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Sure there are smaller communities within, but to assume your realm has more integrity or experienced players than any other realm is just... well, assumptive.

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And on the other side? I assume that my realm has less integrity than many others, but at least once such players become well known, they have to either pay to rename, stop playing, or transfer--meaning that we do get periods of relative decency.

With the new LFG system, on the other hand, they'll be free to grief to their hearts' content, with even less accountability. Meaning they'll likely stick around longer..

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Not if you use the Dungeon system, select the Random Heroic Dungeon option, and that same Heroic dungeon comes up for you.

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This is not the same as saying you're not saved at all. From this comment, it seems possible that, for example, if your initial random heroic dungeon is nexus, then you do become saved to nexus, and can't choose that run individually. But specifically through the random heroic dungeon option, nexus would still be an option?

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Which isn't any different than now.

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Maybe for you, but I have 6 80's (5 alliance, 1 horde), as well as 5 additional alliance (all above level 65) who I am leveling. I don't sit around in a city waiting for a raid to pop up, or the daily heroic. Instead I hop on an alt, put it in LFG, and watch the channel for groups (I use a tool that tracks my instance/raid resets on all my toons, so I already know who has done what), and if I see a group I'm interested in, I msg the leader my 80's name, and hop over to it. This is perfect, as it takes a while to get raids a lot of the time, and if your looking to do a heroic other than H ToC or the daily, it can take a LONG time as well. So I make use of that time, instead of just sitting around the city. And so far I don't seem to be the only one. With the new tool, the idea is Heroics will be formed very fast, but it doesn't help me at all with the raids, which is the ones that I have the biggest problem with.

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And on the other side? I assume that my realm has less integrity than many others, but at least once such players become well known, they have to either pay to rename, stop playing, or transfer--meaning that we do get periods of relative decency.

With the new LFG system, on the other hand, they'll be free to grief to their hearts' content, with even less accountability. Meaning they'll likely stick around longer..

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You won't be grouped with anyone on your ignore list. Presumably this includes people cross-realm.

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This is not the same as saying you're not saved at all. From this comment, it seems possible that, for example, if your initial random heroic dungeon is nexus, then you do become saved to nexus, and can't choose that run individually. But specifically through the random heroic dungeon option, nexus would still be an option?

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That's correct.

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Connect the dots, more difficulty finding groups on my own server. Why are you even arguing this? What do you have to gain by trying to limit people from having both options? Or are you simply arguing to be obnoxious?

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I'm arguing it because you're being an overdramatic crybaby. The sky is not falling, and if finding an RP group is critical to enough people on your server, they will adapt. Pretty much the only RPing on RP servers is in guilds anyway. Hell, just have the largest guilds all agree on one channel and tell their members to join it.

They reason the old LFG is being removed should be obvious, competing tools that do the same thing lead to user confusion. It's a fairly fundamental design concept. The new LFG is vastly better in almost every way. There are always going to be niche cases and outliers where it falls down, but an overall improvement in user experience for the largest number of people is the goal.

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What? I actually go out and do things while looking for a group...instead of running laps around Dal.

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I'm pretty sure the majority of people here don't do much while waiting for a group to show up. Like you say ''They run laps around dalaran''.

In fact cross server instancing will make it faster, and if you don't go out and do other ''things'', then that means you already have a group and that you'd have the time to ''run laps'' if it wasn't implemented.

The problem I have with the new system is the removal of the heroic daily and the removal of the world LFG channel. The heroic daily was something a person could decide to do one day if the dungeon was something they didn't like. This allowed some kind of progress as far as the higher level emblems were concerned, but now the only way to get those higher level emblems is to run some RANDOM dungeon. If you get a dungeon you don't like, you have to inconvenience the group by leaving, waiting 15 minutes, then jumping in again. There's just something screwed up about that. Also, with the crazy random setup, you'll end up with 3 druids, 3 death knights, etc. in a group and that's pretty horrible as well. I've tried it on the test realm and this part does seem to be pretty consistent.

Like someone else said, LFG channel is great if you're out and about. If it's the same as the trade channel, why not just use the trade channel like we do now? I don't see the point of adding a channel that functions the exact same as one we use already.


-EDarkness