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To my understanding, the LFR feature is entirely separate from the LFG feature. LFR is limit to in-realm, but it can be accessed from anywhere in the world, similar to how the current LFG feature works.

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Except when your on an alt leveling as finding raids takes time (it usually takes me hours to find a raid, sometimes days to find that OS 10/25 raid that's easy emblems/has loot for one of my newest alts that hardly no one runs anymore).

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Except when your on an alt leveling as finding raids takes time (it usually takes me hours to find a raid, sometimes days to find that OS 10/25 raid that's easy emblems/has loot for one of my newest alts that hardly no one runs anymore).

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Does the current LFG feature allow you to track raids while leveling? I don't know. I don't think we know enough about the LFR feature to know for sure whether you can or can't do this.

I think it's a good idea. I want to be able to hop in a pug as soon as I log on, complete the daily heroic , get my patient title, and the 68 gold from doing so with random people.

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I'm talking about sitting in Dalaran on my twink, fishing up the Titanium seal while I wait for a queue, in the LFG for Zone- Ashenvale, and see "LF tank for daily Heroic GTG!". So I switch to my tank, and go.

Or doing dailies in Icecrown, and see "LF heals SM Cath", and jumping on my little pally, with her mismatched cloth healing gear, and smashing some Scarlets.

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Exactly, but from what I'm to understand, this tool will make every instance/heroic group so fast that you don't need to swap off. Just jump on the toon, queue up, and bam, insta-instance/heroic. Since it's not live, we have no idea how long it will really take, but if it does indeed take more than 5-10 minutes, it will become a problem.

I don't think anything is preventing you from fishing.

I mean, you're looking for a group, not watching advertisements while fishing just for fun. Nothing is blocking you from fishing without looking for a group. Time management?

And if it's and issue to you, then I wouldn't be able to see the problem as what you really need to do is do dungeons, not fishing...

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Does the current LFG feature allow you to track raids while leveling? I don't know. I don't think we know enough about the LFR feature to know for sure whether you can or can't do this.

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Yes, pop into the LFG tool, hit the drop down and choose 'Zone' and than choose a random zone that's available to choose, and hit comments, and type in "BROWSING LFG" and bam, watch the channel. You can now see messages such as "LFM OS 10, 0d, emblem run" etc.

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I think it's a good idea. I want to be able to hop in a pug as soon as I log on, complete the daily heroic , get my patient title, and the 68 gold from doing so with random people.

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I just fail to see how this is worth the loss of the ability to scroll through a list of players and avoid as many or few as you like, instead of being capped at 50 across an entire battlegroup. So it takes 2 extra minutes to set up the run, sure...and you avoid people who'll purposefully wipe you as well as those whose DPS will be so low the run will take an extra 5.

With the removal of the regular and heroic dungeon dailies, are the Proof of Demise and Timear Foresees achievements going to be converted to Feats of Strength?

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Maybe try it? Am I naive for thinking that World of Warcraft enthusiasts would be anxious to try something out and provide us feedback on it before spending hours on the forums expressing assumptions about all of the least-ideal situations which could arise?

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You're not naive, but I believe you dismiss these kinds of complaints too easily. There was a huge, huge outcry before the cross-server battlegrounds launched, and we were told to wait and try them out, much like you're doing just now. Ultimately, they did lead to shorter queue times - as predicted - but also to the utter ruination of BG communities - as predicted. A lot of people were happy... and a lot of people were unhappy.

I don't really think the issue is that people aren't anxious to try them out, it's more that most of us have learnt that once something like this appears, the only real chance we - as players - have to affect things is to be vocal about them as early as possible, and even then the chances of our input actually being considered is very slim. We -are- World of Warcraft enthusiasts, Zarhym, and that is exactly why we're speaking up - to protect a way of playing we enjoy.

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The Looking For Group channel will return in patch 3.3. If you wish to run dungeons with players on your realm, you can use the Looking For Group channel in any major city to create the party.

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Why is the new LFG being limited to cities? One advantage of both the current LFG feature and LFG channel is that they can be used while completing dailies. All this will do is pack even more players into Dalaran, which lags enough as it is.

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The Looking For Raid system is entirely separate from the Dungeon System and is only for your realm. Players are not automatically grouped with this tool and it can be accessed from anywhere. From the 3.3 PTR notes:

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So I am indeed losing functionality by losing the global LFG channel that was accessible by any toon I have. As I don't particularly find it fun to sit around on an 80 queued up for say OS 10/25 for days on end, I'd rather hop on an alt and level until it does pop up. Now if I hop on that alt to level, and an OS 10/25 group forms, I won't know.

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Yes, pop into the LFG tool, hit the drop down and choose 'Zone' and than choose a random zone that's available to choose, and hit comments, and type in "BROWSING LFG" and bam, watch the channel. You can now see messages such as "LFM OS 10, 0d, emblem run" etc.

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What gives you the impression the LFR can't do the same thing?

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What gives you the impression the LFR can't do the same thing?

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Just checked the PTR, on a new level 1 I wasn't able to join the LFR tool, as no raids show up. Plus I'm pretty sure that even if I could, I don't think there's a LFR channel that would be visible.

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All we're asking is that you retain the global aspect of the LookingForGroup channel in your implementation.

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This.

So the LFR system is not the same as the lfg? Meaning it's not cross server as well?

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Just checked the PTR, on a new level 1 I wasn't able to join the LFR tool, as no raids show up. Plus I'm pretty sure that even if I could, I don't think there's a LFR channel that would be visible.

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3.3 changes it so that Level 1-10s can't join raid groups at all. Maybe try with another, or asking someone.

Also by channel do you mean chat channel, or just looking over a list of names with comments? Because that seems to be included as part of the LFR feature.

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So the LFR system is not the same as the lfg? Meaning it's not cross server as well?

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Correct. LFR is a strict upgrade from the use of the current system to look for raids, with the following exceptions:
1) (possible) Lack of tracking of potential groups from alts, and
2) "Players may only be queued or listed in one of the following systems at a time: Dungeons, LFR, Battlegrounds, or Arenas," from the patch notes, is pretty clear.

Edit: Corrected, as per Jengor's comment below.

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Correct. LFR is a strict upgrade from the use of the current system to look for raids, with the following exceptions:
1) Lack of tracking of potentially groups from alts or out of cities, and
2) "Players may only be queued or listed in one of the following systems at a time: Dungeons, LFR, Battlegrounds, or Arenas," from the patch notes, is pretty clear.

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The LFR feature lets you track raids out of cities, like the current LFG feature. As for on alts, not sure.