they should not share the same cooldown. they are two independent abilities, and should be treated as such.

if it's a question of balance, if the talent trees are as balanced as you think they are, then there should be no question of balance. it is all relative.

in amendment:

referencing the test realm patch notes. the warrior class in general is not receiving very many changes this next patch. perhaps this will allow the ability to hotfix this conflict, or at least determine a change, as the class as a whole isn't being changed much.

GC actually responded to this topic saying when it was possible for you to take the two abilities they would discuss it or change it or something like that.

What's really funny about it is it's possible RIGHT NOW!

I wish I coulda slapped the back of his head for that one and said "You dolt! It's already possible!".

Please fix aimed shot + multi-shot
Please fix arcane shot + explosive shot


they should not share the same cooldown. they are two independent abilities, and should be treated as such.



Do i think either of those should happen, no (for PVE) hunters are doing fine. I try to not touch hunter PVP

Fury is doing fine right now

It's possible, but no one would want to. Even if they didn't share a cooldown, no viable spec exists in PvP or PvE that includes both of them. So why take the time to re-code a separate CD category when it doesn't even affect anything?

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Please fix aimed shot + multi-shot
Please fix arcane shot + explosive shot


they should not share the same cooldown. they are two independent abilities, and should be treated as such.



Do i think either of those should happen, no (for PVE) hunters are doing fine. I try to not touch hunter PVP

Fury is doing fine right now

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Apples to oranges.

i don't know the mechanics of a hunter, this topic isn't even about hunter abilities. though i see your point. but you really have to ask yourself, is it really unbalanced? you are sacrificing points further down in the lower tiers to have the ability to use both.

i'm also not educated as far as what it takes to write code for a game. i do not know how big of a pain it would be. if you do not know either, you should not make any assumptions as well. it could be easy. it could be hard.

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Please fix aimed shot + multi-shot
Please fix arcane shot + explosive shot


they should not share the same cooldown. they are two independent abilities, and should be treated as such.



Do i think either of those should happen, no (for PVE) hunters are doing fine. I try to not touch hunter PVP

Fury is doing fine right now

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Except neither MS nor Bloodthirst are baseline? Those abilities are meant to replace the former, if warriors had a baseline abilitie that did exactly what MS did but with less damage I'm sure said abilitie and MS would share a cooldown.

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It's possible, but no one would want to. Even if they didn't share a cooldown, no viable spec exists in PvP or PvE that includes both of them. So why take the time to re-code a separate CD category when it doesn't even affect anything?

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i've already commented on this in another thread. the rotations would be very similar if not the same, but with substitute for the other ability(s)

it is a hybrid spec. don't expect everybody and their brother to pounce on it, but it would be a refreshing change, and give a new flavor.

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Except neither MS nor Bloodthirst are baseline? Those abilities are meant to replace the former, if warriors had a baseline abilitie that did exactly what MS did but with less damage I'm sure said abilitie and MS would share a cooldown.

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How is aimed supposed to replace multi?

2 TOTALLY different abilities.

Multi shot hits 3 targets without a healing debuff
Aimed hits 1 target with a healing debuff

Explosive and arcane i guess can somewhat be called similar except explosive hits for about 3 times as much dmg and a different school of magic (which means it doesn't replace it as no caster has an ability that is replaced by another ability with a totally different school of magic that i know of)

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i don't know the mechanics of a hunter, this topic isn't even about hunter abilities. though i see your point. but you really have to ask yourself, is it really unbalanced? you are sacrificing points further down in the lower tiers to have the ability to use both.

i'm also not educated as far as what it takes to write code for a game. i do not know how big of a pain it would be. if you do not know either, you should not make any assumptions as well. it could be easy. it could be hard.

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Honestly you guys are doing more than fine in PVE right now and I think this is just something that doesn't need to be done

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but it would be a refreshing change, and give a new flavor.

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You mean more bads.

This is such a pointless request. Any spec that includes MS/BT is terrible. Removing the shared CD would just allow terrible players to pick an even more terrible spec than whatever they were using previously.

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Honestly you guys are doing more than fine in PVE right now and I think this is just something that doesn't need to be done

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It shouldn't be in the game, but it is. Now why is that?

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Honestly you guys are doing more than fine in PVE right now and I think this is just something that doesn't need to be done

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that's fine and dandy.

this would not buff or debuff the class. it's merely promoting something different, by using the tools that are provided.

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You mean more bads.

This is such a pointless request. Any spec that includes MS/BT is terrible. Removing the shared CD would just allow terrible players to pick an even more terrible spec than whatever they were using previously.

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players can do anything they want... isn't that the beauty of a talent tree?

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they should not share the same cooldown. they are two independent abilities, and should be treated as such.

if it's a question of balance, if the talent trees are as balanced as you think they are, then there should be no question of balance. it is all relative.

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As soon as fury gets nerfed, sure.

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players can do anything they want... isn't that the beauty of a talent tree?

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Nope.

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As soon as fury gets nerfed, sure.

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troll elsewhere.

if the devs think the talent trees are balanced, then they are balanced. they call the shots.

however, if they are balanced, there is no reason for this conflict to be there.

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How is aimed supposed to replace multi?

2 TOTALLY different abilities.

Multi shot hits 3 targets without a healing debuff
Aimed hits 1 target with a healing debuff

Explosive and arcane i guess can somewhat be called similar except explosive hits for about 3 times as much dmg and a different school of magic (which means it doesn't replace it as no caster has an ability that is replaced by another ability with a totally different school of magic that i know of)

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Aimed Shot is a talented ability intended to replace Multishot in single-target situations (since it costs less mana), and also for use in PvP. Explosive Shot is intended to replace Arcane Shot in Survival rotations.

Mortal Strike and Bloodthirst are both intended to be the DPS warrior "instant." And don't they also share cooldowns with Shield Slam?

I don't see why fury needs to be nerfed for this change, some people are just.....