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I was thinking more of 25 people dying on the first dance, but it's been said that was not how it was originally? I just started playing when Naxx came out, so I have no idea.

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When my guild first started farming Heigan there were only about 10 players alive at the end of the fight.

40m raid= lvl 280+ raid gear.

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You never experienced the AQ40 lag and subsequent raid-day crashes, did you now?

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Raises hand!

I did and I'm not in a hurry to go back to it either. I'm actually all for making 10man the only raid size.

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Figured I'd squash this one and say that there are no plans to make a 40 player raid for Icecrown or any other raid dungeon at this time.

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And thank heavens for that! 40 man raids were a nightmare of disorganization and terribad players being carried...

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Figured I'd squash this one and say that there are no plans to make a 40 player raid for Icecrown or any other raid dungeon at this time.

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It's for the best. I'll be one of the first to admit that some of the best times I've ever had were in 40 man raids but I don't think nostalgia is reason enough to bring back the raids.

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Figured I'd squash this one and say that there are no plans to make a 40 player raid for Icecrown or any other raid dungeon at this time.

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That would make sense since cataclysm is around the corner : /

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Raises hand!

I did and I'm not in a hurry to go back to it either. I'm actually all for making 10man the only raid size.

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Agreed on that last bit. 10-man max would be great. Guilds could easily recruit set "teams" and 10 is small enough to easily PuG for casual players in casual guilds.

25-man is nice and everything...but it seems to be a guild only proposition. While end-game content is mostly for the hardcore raiding guilds...at least make it "accessible" by casual that seek to PuG it.

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You guys are forgetting about to good times, yes i remember it was way harder to get loot back then but it was fun, cmon.

I was thinking have a 10-25-40 man raid for arthas! and 40 man raid being the hardest and WAY better loot.

It wouldnt kill, it would be fun, 40 man raids were always fun.

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That would make sense since cataclysm is around the corner : /

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Wow, and my friends think I'M an optimist.

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That would make sense since cataclysm is around the corner : /

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No, there won't be a 40 man in Cataclysm either.. I don't know why you are even angling for this - 40 mans SUCKED

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Figured I'd squash this one and say that there are no plans to make a 40 player raid for Icecrown or any other raid dungeon at this time.

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Oh so you've got plans for an 80-man where a horde 40 and an alliance 40 cooperate to take down the lich king? Seems sensible enough :).

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Wow, and my friends think I'M an optimist.

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Hey it was just an idea : /

Im pretty sure im not the only one who misses MC, BWL 40m

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You guys are forgetting about to good times, yes i remember it was way harder to get loot back then but it was fun, cmon.

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Ahem. How was it "fun"?

40 people chatting in the same window? Not fun.
40 people chatting in voice chat? Not fun.
40 people killing a boss? Not fun via diminished importance.
40 people organized and showing up on time? Not fun.
40 people means more "AFK 1 sec" or "BRB, need groceries". Not fun.
40 people raids means more variables (and therefor exploits) in designing raid encounters. Not fun.
Finding 40 people for the raid. Not fun.
40 people fighting over a couple pieces of loot? Not fun.
Running a guild with that many personalities without drama? Not fun.

40 person raids are "not fun".

Yes, please bring back 40 person raids so we can show all these rose tinted glass wearing people how much "fun" 40 man raids *really* where. So, then they can finally come back and say "Gosh, I guess I remembered it differently".

In reality, they'll just end up QQ that Blizzard didn't make them as fun as they once where. *sigh*

*edit*
Side note- I raided MC and BWL. MC still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, even thinking of those days of raiding. Though, I never did get to killing Rag. or very far in BWL, I burnt out of WoW all together by then, thanks to 40 man raids.

*edit 2*
Just to add, 40-mans would be a huge PITA for Bliz. item and encounter designers. How would 40 man differ from 25-man? If it was like 10/25 man, it would have to be better loot. Which means more work for item designers. More imbalance caused by loot, etc. If they don't add new, better, loot, why would anyone do it over 25 man? Assume it drops 1 item per 5 players (8 items drop per boss).

It would just mean Bliz. has to spend more time and resources balancing an single instance for 10 and 25 and 40 man encounters. That's a heck of a lot less time creating new stuff to play. The quality of balance would drop or content would start taking like 33% longer to be released.

That too, is not fun.

My server has a hard enough time getting 10 people together. This would make progression on several servers impossible, sadly.

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Hey it was just an idea : /

Im pretty sure im not the only one who misses MC, BWL 40m

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I'm pretty sure you didn't run them as many times as I, or many other people, did. If I never see AQ40 or MC again it will be too soon. BWL would be fun just for some old school gear for my alts, not as a serious encounter.

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Agreed on that last bit. 10-man max would be great. Guilds could easily recruit set "teams" and 10 is small enough to easily PuG for casual players in casual guilds.

25-man is nice and everything...but it seems to be a guild only proposition. While end-game content is mostly for the hardcore raiding guilds...at least make it "accessible" by casual that seek to PuG it.

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I have an idea, put in 10 mans, but allow people to do it with 25 if they chose to.

oh wait...

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My server has a hard enough time getting 10 people together. This would make progression on several servers impossible, sadly.

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That problem will be fixed in the next patch.

You could now grp with people in different servers.

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From what i remember for the past 5 years that ive been playing, Alterac Valley is a battleground.

Battlegrounds fall into PVP.

SO Alterac Valley is PVP.

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If you are doing PVP in Alterac Valley then your doing it wrong.

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This x 10000. Everyone crying for another 40-man raid was one of the terrible players that the rest of us carried along through Molten Core. Good riddance.

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Such a deliciously truthful sentiment, because I have no doubt that if you carried half the raid you absolutely didn't make it any further than MC. All you people who say "25 people carried the other 15" obviously never set foot in the original Naxx40 (or probably even AQ40) because I can guarantee you that you're not making any progress with that much dead weight.

Personally I'm in favor of any changes that allow the skilled players to separate themselves from the scrubs. We have something like that in place for PvP, so I'd really like to see something for PvE.

Edit: And by "separate themselves from the scrubs" I mean a significant separation; something that's immediately recognizable and creates a clear-cut distinction between the decent players and the losers. And on the order of magnitude akin to back in vanilla WoW when organized groups of T3 toons would annihilate pugs of players in greens and blues.