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Ok- so here's the deal.

I did that dumb grind on my priest. I now have a lvl 80 hunter, druid, and warrior that i'd like to gear up. While its fun to put a price tag on the rep gains, it adds up fast when you count the alts.
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I'm not wasting my time doing the grind x3 for the toons, I'd rather stop playing them instead. This new change makes it awesome for all my alliance toons to catch up with the priest, who I'm sick of playing atm.

If you don't like the change, feel free to spend 2.1k for all your alts, and grind the argent rep the hard way. The rest of us will gladly accept this change.

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So because you have one toon at 80, having ground out those reps, you feel that you should effectively be handed exalted on your others? Notice, of course, that the difference between the honored and exalted shoulder enchants are small enough that unless you're min/maxing for top end PvE or PvP, you won't notice a difference.

Proposition: If you expect to switch around among 4 toons, and would sooner just not play toons than min/max them currently, you're not min/maxing for top end PvE or PvP.

Edit: Note that I said some degree of making things easier on alts makes perfect sense. The initial +10% xp, for example, as well as trinkets being available for low level toons. Likewise, increasing rep gains by that ~30% sounds reasonable. Being able to mail the shoulder/helm enchants to yourself, or run a heroic to gain not only the rep from the instance but another free 1625-3250 (5 bosses is 5 emblems, the current commendations vary, 250 or 500 each, plus the 30%)? Seems excessive to me. A BoA Hodir tabard, available at exalted, would be a reasonable compromise, I'd say.

While you are all debating this. Remember that a large portion of your 'rep' probably came from running heroics with talberd. As soon as the expansion hits, that particular way of gaining rep will for the most part be gone for alts.

I personally like to see 'boa' type stuff be for OLD content.

I think putting this in with 3.3 is a bit too early. I'd prefer to see this added with the expansion.

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While you are all debating this. Remember that a large portion of your 'rep' probably came from running heroics with talberd. As soon as the expansion hits, that particular way of gaining rep will for the most part be gone for alts.

I personally like to see 'boa' type stuff be for OLD content.

I think putting this in with 3.3 is a bit too early. I'd prefer to see this added with the expansion.

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It also won't be necessary. It's obviously not worth going back and grinding out Sha'tar for 80 alts now, for example. I don't follow your logic that it'll be worth doing so with 85 alts. Doesn't seem applicable to the debate at hand, either--what's the point of talking about an expansion that's a year(ish) off?

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now, making reputation gains a little easier in WotLK considering were about to make it past the half way mark for this expansion ( course thats just my opinion ) is ok , and the gains sped up by 30% sounds good

but do we REALLY need rep commendations for the price of ONE triumph ( which can be earned from pretty much EVERY thing in 3.3 )

with a change like that reputation might as well not exist because you can get exalted with any rep of your choice in 1 day of running some instances while wearing their tabard and turning in badges for commendations

the 30% speed up i support
the commendation i do not

there needs to be a line drawn somewhere blizz when you say "we want everyone to have access to this"
because rep wasn't really hard to earn in the first place and took MINIMAL effort and MINIMAL time

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Actually I think you miss the biggest one here. The head/shoulder chants are going to be BoA. So really, once you have 1 main exalted with all factions (which I would guess 90% of the playerbase has) there is really NO reason to grind rep from now on except for select JC patterns or in 2 rep's case mounts. The only rep worth doing anymore and thats ONLY if you want the dailies/items is argent tournament.

Personally I am all for this. I'm to lazy to farm any rep at all past my main so now my alts are going to get there shoulder/head chants lol. Notice though I said to LAZY not that it is hard. On my main I started doing argent crusade rep at 73, Hodir rep at 77 along with argent tournament (yes I had 2 80's before my "main") and I was almost exalted with everything that mattered except kirin tor by the time I hit 80.

If transferring BoA items between factions is in the works are we ever going to be able to send them between characters on different realms?

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Let's play a game where we fail to distinguish between "No" and "We have no current plans for this"

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Oh you will lose that game. There have infact been several things they said "never" to that we have now.

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Actually I think you miss the biggest one here. The head/shoulder chants are going to be BoA. So really, once you have 1 main exalted with all factions (which I would guess 90% of the playerbase has) there is really NO reason to grind rep from now on except for select JC patterns or in 2 rep's case mounts. The only rep worth doing anymore and thats ONLY if you want the dailies/items is argent tournament.

Personally I am all for this. I'm to lazy to farm any rep at all past my main so now my alts are going to get there shoulder/head chants lol. Notice though I said to LAZY not that it is hard. On my main I started doing argent crusade rep at 73, Hodir rep at 77 along with argent tournament (yes I had 2 80's before my "main") and I was almost exalted with everything that mattered except kirin tor by the time I hit 80.

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So, you did the same exact thing... on at least 2, probably more toons... and you're in favor of keeping it that way?

Is that fun?

Sounds like this game is your job.




On a more general note:

If you're a min/maxer, of course you look forward to these changes, because it will make gearing up your alts much easier.

If you're not a mix/maxer, why do you care?

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We're still discussing the addition of commendations for emblems. While all of the reputation changes are subject to revision, the point with which you hold contention is currently being debated internally as well.

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why not do this for ALL factions? classic and TBC also? or add turnin for them, some classes can't solo the BC heroics needed for those factions.

Any changes planned for WSG rep now that the BG has changed so drastically?

Getting tired of 1-0 games or 0-0 games with no rep at all.

Eh, Sons of Hodir is the only one that needed to even be changed, mainly because they don't have a tabard. The other ones weren't even grindy.

Since I'm not sure the gains needed to be changed at all, I'm really not sure you need to be able to buy it with badges.

Zarhym, are there any plans to eventually allow players to mail bind on account items within the same battle.net account even if they're on different WoW accounts?

I just hit Kirin Tor exalted on my shaman, and I didnt find it to be that difficult.
I just ran a bunch of heroics for badges, and then poof! You are now exalted with the Kirin Tor.

Im not complaining, easier is always nice, I guess, but I never really thought that it was a huge issue.
Except Sons of Hodir.

We're in the last content patch of the expansion. Anyone that doesn't have all their reps maxed out by now is either
a) an alt
b) isn't a raider
c) a lazy raider who only capped the rep for their head enchant and honored/exalted with S.o.H.

The rep change is going to be a nice boost for new players who haven't capped yet.

The commendation change I see more as helping the lazy raiders. If you've just hit 80, you're not likely to be spending emblems on rep, but on gear.

If you already have equivalent/better gear but are too lazy to get the rep, then this change is for you.

Either way, I don't really see the change as being all the game-changing. Rep's really only useful for the helm enchant. The one epic piece they have for your spec is only 5 man heroic quality, which is hardly anything to write home about.

I'm more interested in the BoA helm and shoulder enchants? I haven't seen anything on those before. Should be nice having another way to pimp my alts for leveling.


edit: zomg my first first!

Why the BoA on enchants. Why not just have a BoA item that just gives our alts Max rep. Hell why can't we just share rep with our alts.

Zarhym, can you please address my concern about WSG/AB reputations? They are as much part of the game as the Wrath factions are. They are more grindy than anything else =(

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* The following reputations have been sped up by roughly 30%:

Argent Crusade
Alliance Vanguard
Horde Expedition
Kirin Tor
Knights of the Ebon Blade
Sons of Hodir
Wyrmrest Accord

* Sons of Hodir quests now give more reputation overall.
* Top-level helm and shoulder faction-related enchants are now available as Bind-on-Account items that do not require any faction to use once purchased (they still require the appropriate faction level to purchase).
* Reputation commendations can now be purchased for 1 Emblem of Triumph each.

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Forget all the listed reps! I'd rather trade a Triumph for rep with the Explorer's League, Frostborn, Hand of Vengeance, and Taunka.

Great change overall, especially the bind on account enchants. Pretty indifferent to the emblem thing though, unless they make the commendations purchased with them bind on equip, therefore sellable. I vastly prefer running dungeons with my playtime as opposed to grinding dailies, so any change is welcome.

Any chance of allowing tabard purchase at neutral faction?

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but do we REALLY need rep commendations for the price of ONE triumph ( which can be earned from pretty much EVERY thing in 3.3 )

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Well, I need so much gear i'm unlikely to ever have enough triumph badges personally ...