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We had a horrid time trying to do Yogg hard-mode with 4 druids & a priest one day... Having more diversity in healing classes is really, really much better than over-stacking one class.

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Gee.. i wonder if it had anything to do with dispelling apathy....

I also must add i'm pretty disappointed GC didn't deign to answer my question regarding HT Glyph vs Nourish. Why can druids spec and glyph HT and get it to a sub gcd cast time AND have it crit for 10k and also have nourish which can scale upwards of 14k on a crit while i infrequently get 10k LHW crits with a 1.07s cast time, on a target without ES present? The comparison between flash heal and Nourish have been well documented, and in this case even glyphed HT puts it in the dirt. Why?

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At a very high level, you have to put Rejuv on lots of people. Even at an 18 sec duration, you can't put it on everyone in a 25 so you either pick at random, or hot your friends, or hopefully hot the folks most likely to take damage or who have taken a little damage. Rolling LB on 2-3 tanks requires less decision-making. When the little number starts getting down low, you refresh the LB. You aren't monitoring the situation or deciding who to target. You just hit the button.

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Actually...I never do unorganized Rejuv rotations. It's always decided beforehand who I'm going to Rejuv in accordance with the other healers so they know who to PoH / Chain Heal.

So...Having done Rejuv and Lifebloom spam, I can tell you Lifebloom was much more interesting.

For one, since most fights in Burning Crusade only required more than 2 tanks for a phase, I wouldn't be doing Lifebloom the whole fight.

For two, I was always a sucker for watching the lifebloom refresh just as the old one was about to expire. Something about living on the edge.

TLDR; Both Lifebloom and Rejuv rotations can be macro'ed.

dont they have a blue post adressing haste and hots and dots? they are going to be changing that from what i understand. Also, druids hots are ticking constantly, where you have to cast each spell, that is the difference on the charts, the griping is unneccisary, everyone has their spot. a Hot wont save a tank from 2x 25k hits in a row, but a priest or pally would, The hots show high mainly when there is alot of AOE damage.


And as for the Tree "take it or leaf it" thing......... I say leave trees in their leafs, but dont have them shift to cast damaging spells, let us keep it allways. more for the look than the usefullness

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A more likely change is something like letting GotEM keep its current (PTR) functionality but also letting it reduce the GCD of just Lifebloom.



This would really make the pvp aspect of the GOTEM nerf hurt alot less in the pvp aspect of the game. You should also go farther a raise druid dispell resistance up to 50% if we arent going to get a silence reducer.

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If there is anything that Druids should QQ about and *expect a response about. It is their hideous tree form that they're forced to heal in for so long.

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That's not even an issue to be complaining about, sorry, try again.

GC, do you understand that these PVE nerfs hurt PvP more than PVE? Resto Druids are the worst and least represented 5's healer currently, the weakest 3's healer at the moment and they are about on par in 2's with everyone. But 2v2 does not matter and you do not understand that, no titles and you cannot get shoulders / t2 weapons. But what am I saying, this is a PvE thread and I will probably get flamed for talking about PvP. Our heals are too powerful in raids because we can simply hot EVERYTHING but in PvP with that MS on us or anyone we need time for our hots to tick which we often don't have.

I hope you read this post, I don't expect a response just that you acknowledge that PvE and PvP balances need to be re-evaluated for Druids.

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Just curious, but why is one of these things more ok than the other? LB spam vs. Rejuv spam I mean.

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In addition to Rejuv actually requiring choices as to who to cast it on, Rejuv also sets up other complimentary tools that the Druid has, like SM and Nourish. If the designers want Druids to have a (relatively) dynamic playstyle, they need to make SM a viable option, and that requires Pre-Hotting over large groups of people with a HoT. LB can't be SM'd, but even if you could, it doesn't have a long enough duration to keep on enough people for it to be useful as preparation for possible SM.

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2) In the same patch, we decided to change Gift of the Earth Mother because it was adding a gratuitous amount of haste and at the same time making druids avoid haste where they could. We have been too generous with some of the haste talents that coupled with gear and buffs are causing problems.

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Who are these druids that are avoiding haste where they could? The only other stat option is crit, and our spells don't crit unless you're wearing 4pc t9. Even then, crit isn't exactly a good throughput stat for healing. It's nice for DPS, but not really at all for healing. I see what you're trying to accomplish with the class, and that's fine, but at the same time it would be nice if you didn't also include among your reasoning, things that are completely contrary to reality.

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Who are these druids that are avoiding haste where they could? The only other stat option is crit, and our spells don't crit unless you're wearing 4pc t9. Even then, crit isn't exactly a good throughput stat for healing. It's nice for DPS, but not really at all for healing. I see what you're trying to accomplish with the class, and that's fine, but at the same time it would be nice if you didn't also include among your reasoning, things that are completely contrary to reality.

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I gear for about 400 haste for my resto set at this point. Past that, I pick up crit gear for moonkin & then share it with my resto set, since neither crit or haste are very important for resto once resto is GCD capped for HOTs. For 10-mans, I still use a lot of nourish which benefits from both...

but if I needed to, I can easily hit 600+ haste with a combination of the gear I currently have, even if I'm not wearing it all at one point in time, though some of it is lower item level (Ulduar 25) gear.

From druids I've talked to, the nerf to gift of the earth mother really isn't going to affect them substantially in raids; yes they'll have to lose some crit for haste, but they're spending most encounters just blanketing the raid with rejuv, a spell that doesn't benefit from crit (aside from set bonuses that will be obsolete come 3.3). The best I can tell, this change really does nothing to affect rejuv spam except for poorly geared players who must make significant tradeoffs to achieve the 1 sec gcd.

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From druids I've talked to, the nerf to gift of the earth mother really isn't going to affect them substantially in raids; yes they'll have to lose some crit for haste, but they're spending most encounters just blanketing the raid with rejuv, a spell that doesn't benefit from crit (aside from set bonuses that will be obsolete come 3.3). The best I can tell, this change really does nothing to affect rejuv spam except for poorly geared players who must make significant tradeoffs to achieve the 1 sec gcd.

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I've yet to see any well geared druid who is not going to have to make wholesale gearing changes to maintain the 1.0s gcd on rejuv.

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I've yet to see any well geared druid who is not going to have to make wholesale gearing changes to maintain the 1.0s gcd on rejuv.

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Or, more likely, be simply unable to do so until we start getting Icecrown loot.

My druid is Najeena, armory appears to be down or i would link it. If i some how manage to get every piece available of 3.3 BiS (ie best possible gear to go into 3.3 with as a resto druid) and no i will not use hit gear like the druid hating loud mouth troll has suggested) i will still have to gem for haste so much that it will cost me over 230+ sp and over 15% crit just to be where i was previously with my hots.

Clearly nothing drastic there, no nerf at all /end sarcasm. Thorough put loss, crit loss (you know for our paladin role killing nourish) but my nourish will be 1 second cast time (ignore the fact i can reach that already) and what might be a enough of a buff to regrowth to actually want to cast it on more then just the tanks.

Id also like to point out that if someone in my guild/gear and have what i have available to me is going to have to drastically change and lose what i lose and still have to gem to do so, how do you think 99% of the other druids out there feel about it? Sonohako is either a troll or truly ignorant.

It's going to be pretty easy to get 700-ish haste. It's going to be hard (but not impossible) to get the 850-ish haste we actually need...

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You can replace a couple of pieces and/or trade SP gems for haste gems. I wouldn't call either of those "wholesale gearing changes" unless you're geared for straight crit, which you probably shouldn't have been. You can even spec into CF while you pick the gear up if you don't have it in your bank already.

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I'm wearing the best gear that I've been able to assemble thus far. I'm almost 500 haste away from my target. This is not a simple fix.

Check my armory, please.

Why isn't chain heal being looked at with shamans the same way rejuv is seemingly nerfed with its power? Shamans don't even go for t9 because the t8 4 piece is vastly better with their use of chain heal.

Right now for resto druids in t9 their goal is to maximize crit while sustaining ~364 haste. In 3.3 it will be the reverse, we will only value haste and crit is pretty much useless. Is this the design intention? I really think crit needs to of value to a resto druid other than our t9 4 piece bonus.

Has their been any thought to allowing haste affect how many ticks occur over the duration of the hot? The hot duration is constant, but the amount of ticks varies depending on your haste. The left-over time is used at the beginning of the hot so the final tick lines up with the duration of the hot. For example, lets say I have ~850 haste which puts my rejuv at a 2 second tick. With a 15 second rejuv duration, my hot would tick at the 1 - 3 - 5 - .... 13 - 15 second mark. We would receive 8 ticks over 15 seconds, instead of 5 ticks over 10 seconds with the way haste is affecting rejuv currently on PTR 3.3.

This would fix the issue of having to "choose" whether you want haste to affect hots or not. It also might prove to make haste too strong for resto druids, but this could be changed so that more haste is required to affect hots as the same percentage they affect direct casted spells.

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My druid is Najeena, armory appears to be down or i would link it. If i some how manage to get every piece available of 3.3 BiS (ie best possible gear to go into 3.3 with as a resto druid) and no i will not use hit gear like the druid hating loud mouth troll has suggested) i will still have to gem for haste so much that it will cost me over 230+ sp and over 15% crit just to be where i was previously with my hots.

Clearly nothing drastic there, no nerf at all /end sarcasm. Thorough put loss, crit loss (you know for our paladin role killing nourish) but my nourish will be 1 second cast time (ignore the fact i can reach that already) and what might be a enough of a buff to regrowth to actually want to cast it on more then just the tanks.

Id also like to point out that if someone in my guild/gear and have what i have available to me is going to have to drastically change and lose what i lose and still have to gem to do so, how do you think 99% of the other druids out there feel about it? Sonohako is either a troll or truly ignorant.

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All I have to do is buy 1 triumph piece; granted, it will be the moonkin piece since that's the most readily available 60 haste I can pick up, but I'm not overly concerned about that. Just as there's a lot out there who will have to make drastic changes, there are also those like me who won't have to make huge sweeping changes.

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All I have to do is buy 1 triumph piece; granted, it will be the moonkin piece since that's the most readily available 60 haste I can pick up, but I'm not overly concerned about that. Just as there's a lot out there who will have to make drastic changes, there are also those like me who won't have to make huge sweeping changes.

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Maybe I'm just a bit stubborn, but isn't it just a little bit stupid that Resto Druids are looking at taking Moonkin Tier Pieces simply because haste is better?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not fussing about GotEM. In the grand scheme of things I think its a move in the right direction so that we actually care about another stat.

Now I realize I'm not in BiS pieces, and still have a few pieces of 25 man Naxx gear ( I can't help it if I can't get cloaks and a freaking OH to drop >.<) but I'm using the best gear thats dropped for me. I find it hilarious that everyone acts like getting all this haste is gonna be easy. I'm definately not the only Resto Druids in our raids, and also not the only one going after Non-Tier set pieces in our raids. To simply say " you can get X easily" is a freaking joke. I'm not gonna walk into my raids next week and have them hand me every single piece I need ( and let alone actually have it drop) and to expect that is ludicrous.

Yes for the top Druids in the world, and those that have there friends/guilds/raids handing them gear its gonna be trivial. For the rest of us its not gonna be such a walk in the park. ( And I still laugh everytime I see that loot list thats floating around. Like the casters in my raid are gonna let a healer have there OH DPS item or the priests let me have there cloth gear rofl)