I've experienced a bug for a long time with Shattered Barrier. Sometimes it fails to proc when Ice Barrier is broken. I thought that the scenario was that you have Frost Ward and Ice Barrier up, and if you take frost damage that breaks the Ice Barrier but not the Frost Ward, Shattered Barrier does not proc. I've received some information that leads me to believe this is not the case, though.

I don't have time to run tests personally, but if anyone can spare some time getting hit under various conditions, using various absorption shields or wards, it would be helpful. Your contributions could possibly get this fixed for 3.3.

One thing in particularly I'd like to have tested:

1. Apply Frost Ward and Ice Barrier
2. Take damage so that you have very little health left on your Ice Barrier
3. Get hit with a large enough frost damage attack so that your Frost Ward and Ice Barrier are both removed by the SAME spell.

If you've experienced this bug and/or have any ideas as to why it might occur, feel free to reply even if you don't want to do testing.

When I have had it happen, it normally happens around DKs so I think your theory with frost warding/ice barrier is correct.

I am guessing it has to do with the priority that shields are used up.

My hypothesis is that you're seeing a bug with Frost Ward because it prioritizes over Ice Barrier (ie: the ward is used up first).

Here's the absorption priority list that I made from my testing. It may not be 100% correct, but it is to the best of my knowledge.

-Val'Anyr proc shields
-Divine Aegis/Frostward/Fireward (not sure what happens when you have a DA + Ward, that's almost impossible to test in a controlled setting due to the short duration of DA).
-Sacred Shield
-PW:S
-Ice Barrier
-Mana Shield

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I am guessing it has to do with the priority that shields are used up.

My hypothesis is that you're seeing a bug with Frost Ward because it prioritizes over Ice Barrier (ie: the ward is used up first).

Here's the absorption priority list that I made from my testing. It may not be 100% correct, but it is to the best of my knowledge.

-Val'Anyr proc shields
-Divine Aegis/Frostward/Fireward (not sure what happens when you have a DA + Ward, that's almost impossible to test in a controlled setting due to the short duration of DA).
-Sacred Shield
-PW:S
-Ice Barrier
-Mana Shield

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Ice Barrier is consumed before Frost/Fire Ward, not after. I agree that it might be related to how shields are prioritized and how their breaking is parsed, but the problem is not that Frost Ward is consumed first.

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When I have had it happen, it normally happens around DKs so I think your theory with frost warding/ice barrier is correct.

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Go test it!

1. Get hit for ~6000 damage so your ice barrier is about to break

2. have a mage frost nova you and then frostbolt you. If it breaks your ice barrier + frost ward at the same time, success. If not, repeat until it does.

3. see if Shattered Barrier procs

The wards ARE consumed before Ice Barrier. I don't know why you think otherwise, even what are you claiming we try revolves around that. Either way, I haven't seen it happen, and that is such a fringe situation I doubt I'll see it in hours of PvP, but it may be true, and if so should be fixed.

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The wards ARE consumed before Ice Barrier.

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I'm 100% sure they're not, and I'll provide proof when I get home in a couple hours.

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I don't know why you think otherwise, even what are you claiming we try revolves around that.

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Nope - I'm saying put Barrier + Ward up, damage barrier till it is almost dead, then get hit with a Frost spell hard enough so that the barrier and the ward break at the same time.

edit: just realized in my previous post I said frost ward instead of ice barrier, leading to you to that conclusion - my fault, I misspoke.

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Either way, I haven't seen it happen, and that is such a fringe situation I doubt I'll see it in hours of PvP, but it may be true, and if so should be fixed.

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I watch for SB procs and position accordingly. Sometimes, I spend novas in such a way that I rely on the SB going off. If it doesn't, it sucks!

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The wards ARE consumed before Ice Barrier. I don't know why you think otherwise, even what are you claiming we try revolves around that. Either way, I haven't seen it happen, and that is such a fringe situation I doubt I'll see it in hours of PvP, but it may be true, and if so should be fixed.

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You are wrong. It's common knowledge in the Mage PVP community that Wards are consumed after Ice Barrier.

Also, Affix, have you noticed that you cannot overlap a Frost Nova with Pet Freeze anymore? Even if there's just a split second left, if you cast Pet Freeze too early, it nullifies the freeze. Proc'ed roots seem to overlap controlled roots and vice versa correctly. I haven't tested to see if Shattered Barrier can overwrite Frostbite still.

Seems to be a new bug.

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I watch for SB procs and position accordingly. Sometimes, I spend novas in such a way that I rely on the SB going off. If it doesn't, it sucks!

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If only I was good enough to do that.

P.S. Hop on the PTR when you're back and I'll try to be on to test with you.

Affix, do you happen to /combatlog your arena matches? If so, piecing together what happened from a combat log may lead to a better view of what happened with your spell and help isolate a reproduction scenario.

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Affix, do you happen to /combatlog your arena matches? If so, piecing together what happened from a combat log may lead to a better view of what happened with your spell and help isolate a reproduction scenario.

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I don't even know what /combatlog does - I'm assuming it outputs to a text file? I'll do that the next time I notice the bug.

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If only I was good enough to do that.

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http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11413-Shieldmonitor.html

^ helps a lot!

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P.S. Hop on the PTR when you're back and I'll try to be on to test with you.

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I don't have the PTR and I don't plan to get it, but I'll probably try to test it in duels tonight.

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I don't even know what /combatlog does - I'm assuming it outputs to a text file? I'll do that the next time I notice the bug.


http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11413-Shieldmonitor.html

^ helps a lot!


I don't have the PTR and I don't plan to get it, but I'll probably try to test it in duels tonight.

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I have Shield Monitor. Still not good enough to take advantage of it like that in games. Only in Duels. Damn you not having PTR haha. Let me know how your tests go. I don't really know many people on this server yet, so it's going to be hard for me to find someone to test it with. If I can find someone, I'll try to verify your findings.

It outputs your log as a text file. You can browse a time stamped text file of your combat log. I think it only updates when you re log or type /combatlog again or something.

As for the wards, I guess I was wrong. I think it should be the other way around though. As IB can absorb anything, while the wards can only absorb one type of damage. If IB was killed by a frost bolt, and then you get meleed, the frost ward does nothing, but the frost ward should abosrb the frostbolt so that IB can absorb the melee.

And as for waiting/hoping for a SB proc, I'm sure we all do it. If I know a rogue is going to open on me I'll just let him kill the IB to nova himself, not that I have much of a choice unless I want to iceblock out of the garrote silence.

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It outputs your log as a text file. You can browse a time stamped text file of your combat log. I think it only updates when you re log or type /combatlog again or something.

As for the wards, I guess I was wrong. I think it should be the other way around though. As IB can absorb anything, while the wards can only absorb one type of damage. If IB was killed by a frost bolt, and then you get meleed, the frost ward does nothing, but the frost ward should abosrb the frostbolt so that IB can absorb the melee.

And as for waiting/hoping for a SB proc, I'm sure we all do it. If I know a rogue is going to open on me I'll just let him kill the IB to nova himself, not that I have much of a choice unless I want to iceblock out of the garrote silence.

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Actually, I just tested it... you were right about Wards. They must've changed the order recently. It definitely didn't used to be that way.

Affix:

I actually found a Mage to test those scenarios, and I couldn't get any bugs to take place w/Shattered Barrier.

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Actually, I just tested it... you were right about Wards. They must've changed the order recently. It definitely didn't used to be that way.

Affix:

I actually found a Mage to test those scenarios, and I couldn't get any bugs to take place w/Shattered Barrier.

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i've been having ice barrier get consumed before frost ward for the entire duration of this patch - i'll confirm when I get home, but I couldn't be more sure I'm right, I actively watch my absorption shields incredibly closely.

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i've been having ice barrier get consumed before frost ward for the entire duration of this patch - i'll confirm when I get home, but I couldn't be more sure I'm right, I actively watch my absorption shields incredibly closely.

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Yeah. Do test it. I'm rather shocked. I discovered it while testing what you wanted to test. Shield Monitor kept showing my Ice Barrier about to break, then it'd go past that threshold and my Frost Ward dissipated. Shield Monitor USED to be correct. It's really odd. It took me a little bit to realize what was going on. :P

I'm embarrassed to admit this, but I rely mostly on Shield Monitor to tell me whether or not SB is about to proc, and it could be that the reason I thought there was a bug with Shattered Barrier/Frost Ward was because Shield Monitor was incorrectly reporting that Ice Barrier broke, but in fact it still hadn't broken, Frost Ward did instead.

I'll verify tonight, and it is possible there's no bug. Either way, sorry Deag.

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I'm embarrassed to admit this, but I rely mostly on Shield Monitor to tell me whether or not SB is about to proc, and it could be that the reason I thought there was a bug with Shattered Barrier/Frost Ward was because Shield Monitor was incorrectly reporting that Ice Barrier broke, but in fact it still hadn't broken, Frost Ward did instead.

I'll verify tonight, and it is possible there's no bug. Either way, sorry Deag.

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Yeah. At first glance, I thought I reproduced your bug. I still am quite positive that this is a recent change.

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Yeah. At first glance, I thought I reproduced your bug. I still am quite positive that this is a recent change.

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Yeah I was pretty sure about the consumption order, I thought I was going bonkers, but I've pretty thoroughly tested things less than a week ago. It was mostly to test Divine Aegis interaction with PW:S.

/threadjack

Anybody ever notice a petfreeze that doesn't freeze a vanished rogue? It will still do damage and bring them out of stealth, but they won't be frozen. I didn't think about it too much, but I believe I've noticed it on my new warlock and shadowfury as well. I'm just curious if anybody has noticed this.

Edit: add in part abotu bringing the rogue outa stealth.