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Redwood

Maiev

0. Reincarnation Change 10/13/2009 03:16:32 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
Reincarnation: The cooldown on this spell has been lowered from 60 minutes down to 50 minutes (Improved Reincarnation will continue to lower the cooldown by 10/20 minutes).

lol?

I hope it's a joke. Lay on Hands and similar massively long cooldowns were reduced to 20 minutes at the beginning of Wrath. And now, in the same PTR patch update that is lowering Soul Stone cooldown from 30 minutes to 15 minutes, Reincarnation is going from 60 --> 50 minutes? Really? If it's fine that a healer in PvE content can have a Soul Stone for every other attempt, why is it not fine for Reincarnation to go down to 30 minutes baseline? You can change Improved Reincarnation (an important talent in all aspects of shamanism no doubt) to reduce the cooldown by 5/10 minutes if you cannot stomach 10 minute Reincarnates.

/boggle

Eyphix

< Slack >

Tichondrius

1. Re: Reincarnation Change 10/13/2009 03:21:09 PM PDT

Dude, prepare to cry yourself to sleep...

Q u o t e:
Rebirth: The cooldown on this spell has been lowered from 20 minutes down to 10 minutes. Cannot be used in Arenas.

Spiritseer

Frostmane

2. Re: Reincarnation Change 10/13/2009 03:23:34 PM PDT

Sounds like next patch will have tons of druids for rebirth stacking for the baddies :S

Ephyrian

< Haunted >

Proudmoore

3. Re: Reincarnation Change 10/13/2009 03:23:37 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

lol?

I hope it's a joke. Lay on Hands and similar massively long cooldowns were reduced to 20 minutes at the beginning of Wrath. And now, in the same PTR patch update that is lowering Soul Stone cooldown from 30 minutes to 15 minutes, Reincarnation is going from 60 --> 50 minutes? Really? If it's fine that a healer in PvE content can have a Soul Stone for every other attempt, why is it not fine for Reincarnation to go down to 30 minutes baseline? You can change Improved Reincarnation (an important talent in all aspects of shamanism no doubt) to reduce the cooldown by 5/10 minutes if you cannot stomach 10 minute Reincarnates.

/boggle

Shut up, ankh is OP and needs the long CD to be balanced....

2 + 2 = 5 (For extremely large values of 2).

Orouboros

< Mango Arizona >

Icecrown

4. Re: Reincarnation Change 10/13/2009 03:25:44 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

lol?

I hope it's a joke. Lay on Hands and similar massively long cooldowns were reduced to 20 minutes at the beginning of Wrath. And now, in the same PTR patch update that is lowering Soul Stone cooldown from 30 minutes to 15 minutes, Reincarnation is going from 60 --> 50 minutes? Really? If it's fine that a healer in PvE content can have a Soul Stone for every other attempt, why is it not fine for Reincarnation to go down to 30 minutes baseline? You can change Improved Reincarnation (an important talent in all aspects of shamanism no doubt) to reduce the cooldown by 5/10 minutes if you cannot stomach 10 minute Reincarnates.

/boggle

w u t

lolololololololol

/facepalm

why not have it 30 minutes my gahhhhhhh

sup

Cyloria

Alexstrasza

5. Re: Reincarnation Change 10/13/2009 03:29:44 PM PDT

yeah they love to see us qq i think. i think one of us musta killed them in pvp to many times in Pre bc or something.

Its time that Elemental Shaman are brought for what we can do not what we do for others.

Mataus

< stalk and kill >

Dalvengyr

7. Re: Reincarnation Change 10/13/2009 03:39:50 PM PDT

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Pretty hilarious to see both Rebirth and Soulstone cooldowns cut in half, and Reincarnation reduced by... 10 min... down to 50... Eh, whatever though, not like Reincarnation was ever super useful. It's just an okay thing to have once in a while.

I think that's why everyone is so confused why it has such an extraordinarily long cooldown. The Longest cooldown ASIDE from Reincarnation ... is what? 15 min now? Or the doomguard summon from Locks? That's how long? Ours is an hour on live going to an "awesome" 50 min. haha

I think they like tormenting us with horribly minor changes just to let us know we aren't being ignored, but they refuse to change anything significant.

Brochai

< Con Carne >

Zul'jin

8. Re: Reincarnation Change 10/13/2009 03:52:53 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
If it's fine that a healer in PvE content can have a Soul Stone for every other attempt, why is it not fine for Reincarnation to go down to 30 minutes baseline?

Soul Stone burns the cooldown whether it turns out to be useful or not. Reinc can be saved until it is useful.

If disaster strikes your raid and it is an obvious wipe, the guy the pops up from the soulstone isn't going to change anything. The shaman on the other hand, can save his cooldown until it is useful to use it. If you look at it that way, reinc is available every attempt until it saves the day.

Edit: I personally wouldn't complain at all if they changed it, I am just pointing out that it is different from soulstones.

[ Post edited by Brochai ]

If you have to insult someone to make your argument, you have already lost.

Tankinstein

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Aegwynn

9. Re: Reincarnation Change 10/13/2009 03:53:48 PM PDT

I wouldn't be surprised if that was a typo...

Mataus

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Dalvengyr

10. Re: Reincarnation Change 10/13/2009 03:54:36 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

Soul Stone burns the cooldown whether it turns out to be useful or not. Reinc can be saved until it is useful.

If disaster strikes your raid and it is an obvious wipe, the guy the pops up from the soulstone isn't going to change anything. The shaman on the other hand, can save his cooldown until it is useful to use it. If you look at it that way, reinc is available every attempt until it saves the day.

And rebirth? Or... just soulstone your druids so if they die, you have battle rez's. >.>

Reincarnation is CLEARLY OP. hahahaha that's why everyone specs into it... oh.... wait. No one does.

Elecia

Arena Tournament 2

11. Re: Reincarnation Change 10/13/2009 03:54:43 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

If disaster strikes your raid and it is an obvious wipe, the guy the pops up from the soulstone isn't going to change anything. The shaman on the other hand, can save his cooldown until it is useful to use it. If you look at it that way, reinc is available every attempt until it saves the day.

except soulstone's duration is equal to it's c/d.. reapplying it when it runs out is trivial.

I think you deserve a little credit. No one's ever dodged that shot of mine.. But nobody gets lucky twice, either!

Brochai

< Con Carne >

Zul'jin

12. Re: Reincarnation Change 10/13/2009 03:56:02 PM PDT

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except soulstone's duration is equal to it's c/d.. reapplying it when it runs out is trivial.

I don't see how that contradicts what I posted.

If you have to insult someone to make your argument, you have already lost.

Shunya

< Irregulars >

Dethecus

13. Re: Reincarnation Change 10/13/2009 03:56:34 PM PDT

oh the bright side i think they are giving you a minor glyph to make it no longer require a regent.

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Spiritseer

Frostmane

14. Re: Reincarnation Change 10/13/2009 03:59:39 PM PDT

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oh the bright side i think they are giving you a minor glyph to make it no longer require a regent.

theres one already

Glaur

< Lurkers >

Terenas

15. Re: Reincarnation Change 10/13/2009 04:29:08 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

I think that's why everyone is so confused why it has such an extraordinarily long cooldown. The Longest cooldown ASIDE from Reincarnation ... is what? 15 min now? Or the doomguard summon from Locks? That's how long? Ours is an hour on live going to an "awesome" 50 min. haha

I think they like tormenting us with horribly minor changes just to let us know we aren't being ignored, but they refuse to change anything significant.

This is the only reason I can think of in relation to the change.

15 minutes would be OP? How about 40? Would truely love to know the reasoning behind 50 minutes being the "perfect" timer on the CD. I challenge anyone to find a shaman using the reduction talent for this in any build. Reincarnation is low on the list of shaman issues but it is a fascinating window into the mindset that decides on these changes.

Mataus

< stalk and kill >

Dalvengyr

16. Re: Reincarnation Change 10/13/2009 04:54:52 PM PDT

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This is the only reason I can think of in relation to the change.

15 minutes would be OP? How about 40? Would truely love to know the reasoning behind 50 minutes being the "perfect" timer on the CD. I challenge anyone to find a shaman using the reduction talent for this in any build. Reincarnation is low on the list of shaman issues but it is a fascinating window into the mindset that decides on these changes.

They should make it 20 or 30 min baseline and get rid of improved reincarnation. It's the worst talent I've ever seen (and I do have 3 80's and a druid coming up). They could make it 30 min and the talent reduces it by 5 min per point. The HUGE problem with the talent is that it boosts nothing for a shaman that lives. NADA. You have to die in order to get any benefit from 2 talent points. The goal of any PVE encounter is to NOT die. lol So it's like throwing 2 points into a talent that says "I'm bad and die a lot."

Any shaman with points in reincarnation is bad.

Ghostcrawler

Blizzard Poster

17. Re: Reincarnation Change 10/13/2009 05:01:38 PM PDT

We were concerned that a really short cooldown on an ability that rezzes you and only rezzes you would lead to bizarre behavior. Shamans could just commit suicide every fight knowing that they could come back. Standing in the fire too long? No problem. Too far away from where you want to be? Just die. Out of mana? Just die. Yes you might lose dps or healing time, but we still think it would happen and we think it would look weird.

Soulstone by comparison can easily be used on the "wrong" person (if they don't die) and Rebirth can't be used at all if the druid dies. In some ways, Reincarnation is the only cooldown that you are guaranteed to see every fight as soon as it becomes that dependable.

Ghostcrawler
Lead Systems Designer

Mystgun

< Tempo >

Shadowmoon

18. Re: Reincarnation Change 10/13/2009 05:03:39 PM PDT

Makes sense... i guess...

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Mataus

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Dalvengyr

19. Re: Reincarnation Change 10/13/2009 05:05:38 PM PDT

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Makes sense... i guess...

lol no it doesn't.

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