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  • Dark Iron
  • 0. [Ele] New totem?   10/13/2009 05:39:12 PM PDT
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Item - Shaman T10 Elemental Relic (Shocks) - Your Earth Shock, Flame Shock, and Frost Shock spells grant 73 critical strike rating for 15 sec. Stacks up to 3 times.


Is this the new PvP totem? Cause I gotta be honest here, this would be beyond terrible for the PvE environment (on the order of one of the worst items I've ever seen).
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  • Draenor
  • 1. Re: [Ele] New totem?   10/13/2009 05:41:01 PM PDT
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Flame shock lasts 18 seconds, doesn't it? This should probably be an indicator that the current time is either a placeholder or ele shaman are going to be casting shocks more regularly. My money would be on the former. (This would indicate that the other numbers are also probably placeholders)

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  • Dark Iron
  • 2. Re: [Ele] New totem?   10/13/2009 05:50:21 PM PDT
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Flame shock lasts 18 seconds, doesn't it? This should probably be an indicator that the current time is either a placeholder or ele shaman are going to be casting shocks more regularly. My money would be on the former. (This would indicate that the other numbers are also probably placeholders)


You're missing a few other things.

1. Crit is our worst stat
2. Even if they lengthened the buff, it would still be worse than our ilvl 213 totem
3. If they made it stack on every cast, it would still be worse than our ilvl 213 totem

My only assumption can be that it's the new PvP totem (however I'm not sure how useful it'd be there).
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  • 4. Re: [Ele] New totem?   10/13/2009 05:54:07 PM PDT
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The Elemental totem is haste, not crit, and I believe it is a 30 sec duration.

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  • 5. Re: [Ele] New totem?   10/13/2009 05:55:03 PM PDT
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<3 how bout our set bonuses!? >.> <.<

and i suppose First >.>

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  • 6. Re: [Ele] New totem?   10/13/2009 05:55:44 PM PDT
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The Elemental totem is haste, not crit, and I believe it is a 30 sec duration.


You just stopped a whole load of ele QQ.

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  • 8. Re: [Ele] New totem?   10/13/2009 05:59:20 PM PDT
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It would be great if you could look at our set bonuses. Especially the 2pc. Most of the time we have to use Elemental Mastery with Bloodlust to achieve max dps. Reducing the cooldown won't be beneficial.
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  • Dark Iron
  • 9. Re: [Ele] New totem?   10/13/2009 06:01:22 PM PDT
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The Elemental totem is haste, not crit, and I believe it is a 30 sec duration.


Thank god!

any chance of making that sp instead of haste? =0)
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  • Draenor
  • 10. Re: [Ele] New totem?   10/13/2009 06:06:54 PM PDT
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You're missing a few other things.

I missed nothing, you did. And you're now happy that you did :P
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  • 11. Re: [Ele] New totem?   10/13/2009 06:08:20 PM PDT
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That's pretty cool.

I guess I have to let the EJ people crunch it out, but this one definetly feels like its more likely to overtake the actual enhance one. The current one does, and we cast LB less than an ele shaman (so its uptime should be lower), and these two maintain the same AP/haste ratios, so I don't see why it would change.

Not that I'm complaining, I really enjoy how haste interacts with enhance's play style.

Also, now I'm interested in how it might play out for PvP restoration, where a little haste might go a long way in getting spells off.
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  • 12. Re: [Ele] New totem?   10/13/2009 06:08:32 PM PDT
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The Elemental totem is haste, not crit, and I believe it is a 30 sec duration.


How is a near-static 219 haste totem much different than our current near-static 200 haste totem?
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  • Cho'gall
  • 13. Re: [Ele] New totem?   10/13/2009 06:09:33 PM PDT
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"I love datamined patch day"
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  • Scarlet Crusade
  • 14. Re: [Ele] New totem?   10/13/2009 06:09:49 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
The Elemental totem is haste, not crit, and I believe it is a 30 sec duration.


If the values are still correct, that's a pretty marginal upgrade over the T9 totem on long fights, and actually a downgrade on sufficently short ones/trash since it requires stacking. We either lose DPS from using shocks more often (would normally only use FS every 18 sec, and no shocks otherwise), or we lose DPS from waiting 36 sec to get the full stack of haste rolling (since presumably, first shock is instant)

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  • Dark Iron
  • 15. Re: [Ele] New totem?   10/13/2009 06:11:18 PM PDT
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How is a near-static 219 haste totem much different than our current near-static 200 haste totem?


I'm curious if the 73 will be increase or the stack count increased, but it is slightly better as once it's stacked it should never drop off (as our current one does drop off randomly if you get unlucky).

if it remains at 219 total haste, then it really isn't much different and can probably be saved as a afterthought upgrade.
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  • Proudmoore
  • 16. Re: [Ele] New totem?   10/13/2009 06:22:49 PM PDT
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The Elemental totem is haste, not crit, and I believe it is a 30 sec duration.

The stacking portion of the buff is still an issue.

2 + 2 = 5 (For extremely large values of 2).
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  • 17. Re: [Ele] New totem?   10/13/2009 06:34:46 PM PDT
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The stacking portion of the buff is still an issue.

Frost Shock is a 4s cooldown, and counts for maybe 70% of the DPS of LB. It's relatively comparable with the downtime before the initial Electrifying WInds proc.

Now GC: About those T10 set bonuses...
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  • Proudmoore
  • 18. Re: [Ele] New totem?   10/13/2009 07:13:06 PM PDT
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Frost Shock is a 4s cooldown, and counts for maybe 70% of the DPS of LB. It's relatively comparable with the downtime before the initial Electrifying WInds proc.

Now GC: About those T10 set bonuses...

I'm trying to figure out if i'd rather lose ~6000 damage for 219 static haste (perhaps more due to queuing issues, but its 20 DPS over a 5 minute encounter), or keep a 200 haste totem with 95% uptime.
Gaining 29 haste is about 40 dps (at my gear level), so the totem is a 20 dps upgrade..give or take a couple of points. Someone else might come up with a better way of analyzing this, but my immediate reaction is pretty much...last item on the shopping list..if it makes it on.

2 + 2 = 5 (For extremely large values of 2).
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  • 19. Re: [Ele] New totem?   10/13/2009 07:14:37 PM PDT
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I'm trying to figure out if i'd rather lose ~6000 damage for 219 static haste (perhaps more due to queuing issues, but its 20 DPS over a 5 minute encounter), or keep a 200 haste totem with 95% uptime.
Gaining 29 haste is about 40 dps (at my gear level), so the totem is a 20 dps upgrade..give or take a couple of points. Someone else might come up with a better way of analyzing this, but my immediate reaction is pretty much...last item on the shopping list..if it makes it on.


Don't forget saving emblems? lol

OH... but wait, there's probably no elemental gear to get anyways. Hmmmm now I'm completely stumped.
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