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2 paladins in the raid 1 is holy 1 is prot.

The prot wants both sanc and kings

The holy wants wis and kings

The holy doesn't have improved anything (happens)

Now tell me how long it would take to individually select each class and press the respective buff + figuring out hybrid class buffs with only 2 paladins.
If you have a feral/resto druid enh/ele shaman ANY hunter it becomes a gigantic headache without pally power.

I don't really care though as I'm not a retarded paladin and actually downloaded it. I HATE paladins that don't have it though. Yes hate is a strong word.

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resto shaman = mana spring.
dps warrior = battle shout
point out those 2 in a raid and just throw out kings

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I bet you run DBM, Bigwigs or VXE. You don't need any of those mods to down bosses, but they sure make things much easier. All of the giant warning messages, timers, and sounds make it a lot easier to figure out that something important just happened or is about to happen. It makes raid coordination much easy to manage. Why aren't you arguing something similar to those mods be put into the default UI?

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Your comparing apples and oranges. Look at EVERY other class when they goto buff. Do they literally go OOM buffing the raid and have to target each class individually? Or do they just target one person and buff them and move on with it.

Clearly the buff system is designed with some kind of intent on how quick people can get back from a raid, rebuff and move on.

If their intention was to have the buff system as complicated as the paladin's is then EVERYONE would be in the same boat, which is not the case.

In fact blizzard has made strides at simplifying buffs and debuffs in the raid setting and I am shocked this wasn't looked at during all of it.

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No actually I'm saying that if there are mods developed and highly downloaded just to assist a class to buff, because it DOES get complicated with multiple paladins in a 25 man. Then there is an issue and I shouldn't need or even want to download that kind of mod.

The whole paladin buff system is just a relic of vanilla wow that needs to go away.

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So it's too much work to click on a class, hit a button, then click another class, then hit the same damned button?

Seriously, is it really that hard? Just tell the holy pally to use Wis, Ret to use Might, and Prot to use Kings or Sanc.

A little communication goes a long way.

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So it's too much work to click on a class, hit a button, then click another class, then hit the same damned button?

Seriously, is it really that hard? Just tell the holy pally to use Wis, Ret to use Might, and Prot to use Kings or Sanc.

A little communication goes a long way.

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If you water down every action in this game you could say the same thing about dpsing, tanking, healing etc. Your not getting the point or your just trolling.

"it's soooo easy to press a button"

Nobody is comparing the physical effort of pressing buttons on your keyboard to how hard it is to buff. How can you even bring a conversation in that direction?

This thread and others of its ilk contribute greatly to the "faceroll" perception of others. The OP is an embarrassment, and we, the real paladins, lay no claim to ones such as this. <crosses arms and looks away from OP>

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So it's too much work to click on a class, hit a button, then click another class, then hit the same damned button?

Seriously, is it really that hard? Just tell the holy pally to use Wis, Ret to use Might, and Prot to use Kings or Sanc.

A little communication goes a long way.

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What if you only have 2 paladins? 1 prot and 1 holy and you have 3 shamans and 3 druids in your raid. Have fun manually buffing everyone without any tools to help you.

I mean, the mod works fine, I'm not saying they should develop a custom UI for that, but it does help for sure!

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If you water down every action in this game you could say the same thing about dpsing, tanking, healing etc. Your not getting the point or your just trolling.

"it's soooo easy to press a button"

Nobody is comparing the physical effort of pressing buttons on your keyboard to how hard it is to buff. How can you even bring a conversation in that direction?

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We have the most versatile, most powerful buffing suite of any class in the game. Bar none. You have been given tools. You were given an extra tool to make using the base tools easier. STFU and GTFO. You are making us all look as bad as you really are.

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I don't think it is required. Everyone's definition of required is going to vary quite a bit but very few mods are actually required in my experience.

Building an in-game UI to handle paladin buffs is something we would like to do for Cataclysm (then again, so is "overhaul every aspect of the game.")

It was once a goal to make every class UI the same. Since the DK, and more recently the shaman and to a lesser-extent the druid, and then soon the warlock, we've been moving away from that.

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Thanks for the response GC! it's always good to hear from a game developer on some of these topics. I have a shaman alt and I'll say that the UI modifications you made for totems have really helped.

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What if you only have 2 paladins? 1 prot and 1 holy and you have 3 shamans and 3 druids in your raid. Have fun manually buffing everyone without any tools to help you.

I mean, the mod works fine, I'm not saying they should develop a custom UI for that, but it does help for sure!

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i think we've pointed out enough scenario solutions.
if the raid leader / pallies of the raid aren't able to figure out buffs, then you're grouped with failures

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We have the most versatile, most powerful buffing suite of any class in the game. Bar none. You have been given tools. You were given an extra tool to make using the base tools easier. STFU and GTFO. You are making us all look as bad as you really are.

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I was certainty not posing an argument that the raid buffs we provide are not powerful enough. But trying to shed some light on the way blizzard designs their game's is not for the elite but for everyone. Joe paladin who just hits 80 that I've seen time and time again in VoA has "issues" to say the least buffing my raid.

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I was certainty not posing an argument that the raid buffs we provide are not powerful enough. But trying to shed some light on the way blizzard designs their game's is not for the elite but for everyone. Joe paladin who just hits 80 that I've seen time and time again in VoA has "issues" to say the least buffing my raid.

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blizz is already removing def, spell power, mp5, attack power, and other such things
please dont try to promote making it even more toddler friendly

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What if you only have 2 paladins? 1 prot and 1 holy and you have 3 shamans and 3 druids in your raid. Have fun manually buffing everyone without any tools to help you.

I mean, the mod works fine, I'm not saying they should develop a custom UI for that, but it does help for sure!

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Well you use the Holy Paladin for Kings, the Protection Paladin does Sanctuary if raid damage is so extreme that the healers can't keep up for some reason (I'm not saying this is a good idea by the way), or give out Might to them. One of the 3 Shaman you apparently have drops their mana totem and so everyone gets what they want. So is your complaint that you're not getting the very most effective version of the buffs? Because that's true, but I don't think that's the issue everyone's talking about.

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blizz is already removing def, spell power, mp5, attack power, and other such things
please dont try to promote making it even more toddler friendly

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Compare this situation to the update blizzard made to shaman totems. I'm sure most of the people trolling this thread would've made the same cheesy comments about how easy it is for shamans to drop totems etc. Yet they still updated the whole system.

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blizz is already removing def, spell power, mp5, attack power, and other such things
please dont try to promote making it even more toddler friendly

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Then it would cater to the age group of the DPS and paladin playerbase....

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*nods* Ya, this is something I was thinking would get largely skimmed over by devs.

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Why would they skim over it? It's an easy answer.

I think it goes without saying that Pallypower is hugely important for paladins buffing raids. Is it necessary? God no, it's not even my first choice in buff mods. But it exists, and it's really helpful as a raid leader because I can tell the other paladins what to do and KNOW they know. It's also hugely helpful because sometimes buffing people can be a pain in the rear.

So this is easy for them to answer. "We would like to improve the way paladin buffing works in Cataclysm." It's simple. And nobody will doubt it, nor will anyone be terribly surprised if they don't get to it (because lets face it, Pallypower is exceptional at this for what we need).

Would you rather the comment on something like Warrior EH and what they are going to do to improve it? I'm sure you would, I would too. But that requires more then "Yup, we'd like to do that at some point in the future" that they can answer simply.

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Compare this situation to the update blizzard made to shaman totems. I'm sure most of the people trolling this thread would've made the same cheesy comments about how easy it is for shamans to drop totems etc. Yet they still updated the whole system.

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actually i completely agree the totem change was great. lets my shammy healers heal me faster instead of wasting 4 gcd's setting totems in place

but blessings is great, as well as the judgement system (imo anyways, some disagree) and there really shouldnt be any reason for it to change