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Kalgan

Blizzard Poster

380. Re: If Horde winning every BG is acceptable 10/01/2007 03:19:28 PM PDT

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I don't care about AV. AV is a cluster**** and I never enjoyed it even on my high level characters. And cheap wins don't appeal to me like they do to players like yourself who have no shame about twinking it up and then coming on the forums to brag about how your faction is more skilled.

The smaller the teams, the more skill matters. What I do in the smaller battlegrounds can make a difference in the game. I like that, I don't like dying 48 times in an AV for absolutely nothing, just cause I got in 8 people's crosshairs.

If you think that the faction imbalance in PvP existed purely in AV, you have been a high level Horde for way too long and need to experience more outside of your box.

I think it's worth pointing out that generally speaking the win/loss percentages for WSG, AB, EotS generally fall somewhere around 55% to 45% on any given day (with Alliance also represented on the higher side). For example, on North American servers yesterday Alliance won more AB battles than the Horde.

AV has gone through greater swings, with alliance winning as much as 75 to 80% of battles (NA servers again as an example) before patch 2.2 and horde winning about 60% so far after 2.2. That being said, there are a bunch of substantive AV changes going into patch 2.3 that will probably shake things up some more (more details on that sometime this week).

Achaikos

< Chronus >

Alleria

381. Re: If Horde winning every BG is acceptable 10/01/2007 03:20:35 PM PDT

Owned, also give details now! :[

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Dameshi

Gorgonnash

382. Re: If Horde winning every BG is acceptable 10/01/2007 03:20:36 PM PDT

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slap urself have u read how warhammer is going to play out?????

instanced bg's oh goodness reminds of a game were playing now!!!!!.

Age of Conan is were the real players are going to play. FFA PVP server is were its at, not some pansy instanced pvp.

its dumb how the makers of DAOC didnt implement the best PVP ever on a game, To their new game. sad really

Pereg

< Resurgence >

Area 52

383. Re: If Horde winning every BG is acceptable 10/01/2007 03:20:54 PM PDT

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Then change the token system. Make losses give 3 and wins 5, or losses give 2 and wins 3.

Fix the system. Failing that, on the off chance that Horde is right and Alliance simply sucks, then fix the reward system to make it worth our time. Or you're going to be seeing a lot of AFK'ing.

What they should do is make HK's worth slim to none in Battlegrounds. If there are objectives to reach in order to win then that's what should be rewarded. By doing that you'd see more alliance not fighting on the road in AB, in the middle of wsg, in the middle of eots as much and maybe figure out how to get and keep the objectives as a team. But there still needs to be incentive to win.

Maekar

< Most Valuable Player… >

Burning Blade

385. Re: If Horde winning every BG is acceptable 10/01/2007 03:22:25 PM PDT

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I think it's worth pointing out that generally speaking the win/loss percentages for WSG, AB, EotS generally fall somewhere around 55% to 45% on any given day (with Alliance also represented on the higher side). For example, on North American servers yesterday Alliance won more AB battles than the Horde.

AV has gone through greater swings, with alliance winning as much as 75 to 80% of battles (NA servers again as an example) before patch 2.2 and horde winning about 60% so far after 2.2. That being said, there are a bunch of substantive AV changes going into patch 2.3 that will probably shake things up some more (more details on that sometime this week).

Alliance got owned.

Combust-a-groove!

"A man has eyes to see. A man has ears to hear. One foot goes after the other, and a man dies. This, Jaqen H'ghar, can promise you. Just so."

Draego

< Night Requiem >

Bronzebeard

386. Re: If Horde winning every BG is acceptable 10/01/2007 03:23:03 PM PDT

I hope its a phsyical change of the lay out. ALSO I hope they bring back the crasiness of old AV. Please!

Illustrating absurdity with absurdity

Kalgan

Blizzard Poster

388. Re: If Horde winning every BG is acceptable 10/01/2007 03:23:54 PM PDT

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What about for the past month? Year? Since they've been out? I imagine you would have a much different number.

No, not really different.

Kazuki

< Kombat Wombats >

Black Dragonflight

389. Re: If Horde winning every BG is acceptable 10/01/2007 03:23:57 PM PDT

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I get the feeling that no argument I make is going to make you see my side. However, I will say this.

Done properly, a performance based system would reward those things that tend to help win. Things like healing, which has no real immediate reward currently, and is one of the often cited reasons for why the alliance so often lose. It's about creating incentives, current incentives reward getting the game over quickly, which is the reason for AFKers, Horde AFKers say "AV is imbalanced and we have little hope of winning so If I do nothing then my team loses faster and I get my token." Switching to performance based rewards places incentives on participation as well as winning quickly.

I will repost my original suggestion for a performance based system for reference:

Communism looks like an awsome goverment system on paper. You can repost your grand scheme until your face turns blue, but the fact remains in a system where classes are not individually balanced, this is a trainwreck waiting to happen. Some things are easier said than done.

Elaynia

< The Fourth Legion >

Eitrigg

391. Re: If Horde winning every BG is acceptable 10/01/2007 03:25:12 PM PDT

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I think it's worth pointing out that generally speaking the win/loss percentages for WSG, AB, EotS generally fall somewhere around 55% to 45% on any given day (with Alliance also represented on the higher side). For example, on North American servers yesterday Alliance won more AB battles than the Horde.

AV has gone through greater swings, with alliance winning as much as 75 to 80% of battles (NA servers again as an example) before patch 2.2 and horde winning about 60% so far after 2.2. That being said, there are a bunch of substantive AV changes going into patch 2.3 that will probably shake things up some more (more details on that sometime this week).

Can you separate data based on Pug Vs Pug, Pre-made vs Pre-made? I would like o see those stats since I am mostly a Pugger.

Its what happens when you give generaly weak and impotent people the ability to evade a physical beating. I promise if you could choke the crap out of them they wouldnt be so quick to run their mouth.

Footrot

< Sanctuary of the Err… >

Silver Hand

392. Re: If Horde winning every BG is acceptable 10/01/2007 03:25:32 PM PDT

Shouldn't we analyse the accuracy of the title of this thread before continuing?

I used to marvel at how far the world has come since the days of the caveman. Then I read these forums, and wonder how much further we would be if only technology didn't retard natural selection.

Jinglez

< Dun Moroghs Finest >

Detheroc

395. Re: If Horde winning every BG is acceptable 10/01/2007 03:26:57 PM PDT

To tell you the truth I think those stats are complete BS. The only thing I could think that would make those scores is maybe 3 BGs are 95% alliance dominated to skew those results. In my BG, shadowburn, horde win 80% of the time, no lie. If alliance makes a premade, we only win about 40% of the time. Still get rolled by a horde pug when they are down 5 players.

Uncreative

Illidan

396. Re: If Horde winning every BG is acceptable 10/01/2007 03:26:59 PM PDT

I have honestly rerolled horde once just to win in BGs because I have no shame

Achaikos

< Chronus >

Alleria

397. Re: If Horde winning every BG is acceptable 10/01/2007 03:27:39 PM PDT

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Care to post them?

Read his previous post and apply that to days/months/years.

Runningbear

< Red Dragonarmy >

Earthen Ring

398. Re: If Horde winning every BG is acceptable 10/01/2007 03:28:32 PM PDT

I actually picked a tauren cause i always wanted to play a minotaur and no other games at the time allowed you to play em. All but 3 of my chars are taurens. Of the other 3 2 are undead one is human.

As to the token debate...leave it as it is. AB and WSG are balance. If your losing the what you belive is more than your fair share, starte a group. Go in with at least 5 ppl, then you might make a difference, cause all the other idiots that don't want to do much, may end up following your lead. At the very least, they can be horde bait while your pulling the win out of the hat.

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