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  • 0. Armor penetration...Is it an issue?   09/29/2007 06:34:28 PM PDT
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So, i've been looking at the new gear thats supposed to be coming out for 2.3, and I see that much of it has a stat that allows peoples attacks to bypass a set amount of their opponents' armor. I've heard people say that this will have an adverse effect on casters, and I've heard people say that this will effect all classes equally.

So, I'm wondering; has anyone actually crunched the numbers, or worked out just what an impact this will have on the game? As a clothie who's an avid pvper, I'd really like to know.

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  • 1. Re: Armor penetration...Is it an issue?   09/29/2007 06:36:35 PM PDT
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If you look at how increases in armor increase your armor's absorption percentage you'll realize that removing 500 armor, say, from someone with 2k armor is a much greater dps increase than removing 500 armor from someone with 8k.

This is why the chicken littles on these forums are crying about casters suffering from the change.

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  • 2. Re: Armor penetration...Is it an issue?   09/29/2007 06:36:42 PM PDT
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Can you link the stats or a piece of gear with said armor penetration on it Please?
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  • 3. Re: Armor penetration...Is it an issue?   09/29/2007 06:37:41 PM PDT
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Pvp naked so you don't have to worry about it!
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  • Lightbringer
  • 4. Re: Armor penetration...Is it an issue?   09/29/2007 06:39:43 PM PDT
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=ee8n-xvYETg

Ocular penetration is a bigger issue.

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  • 5. Re: Armor penetration...Is it an issue?   09/29/2007 06:41:58 PM PDT
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  • 6. Re: Armor penetration...Is it an issue?   09/29/2007 06:43:49 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
So, i've been looking at the new gear thats supposed to be coming out for 2.3, and I see that much of it has a stat that allows peoples attacks to bypass a set amount of their opponents' armor. I've heard people say that this will have an adverse effect on casters, and I've heard people say that this will effect all classes equally.

So, I'm wondering; has anyone actually crunched the numbers, or worked out just what an impact this will have on the game? As a clothie who's an avid pvper, I'd really like to know.



There's more +armor on the pvp gear than there is +armor penetration on the melee pvp gear.
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  • Wildhammer
  • 7. Re: Armor penetration...Is it an issue?   09/29/2007 06:44:28 PM PDT
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There's more +armor on the pvp gear than there is +armor penetration on the melee pvp gear.

Will there be extra data in your stat sheet showing how much 'ignore armor' you have?

goes for spell haste too

in the next patch?

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  • 8. Re: Armor penetration...Is it an issue?   09/29/2007 06:46:20 PM PDT
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Shouldnt be, we;ve had spell penetration for ages, this is simply the melee equivalent.

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  • 9. Re: Armor penetration...Is it an issue?   09/29/2007 06:46:49 PM PDT
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There's more +armor on the pvp gear than there is +armor penetration on the melee pvp gear.


Err.. so you're saying that the season 3 armor sets will have additional armor to compensate, making penetration a moot issue so long as players are even in gear?

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  • 11. Re: Armor penetration...Is it an issue?   09/29/2007 06:47:51 PM PDT
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There's more +armor on the pvp gear than there is +armor penetration on the melee pvp gear.


How do you expect to balance armor penetration when it is yet another stat that has non-uniform effects across gear levels?

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Kalgan
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  • 12. Re: Armor penetration...Is it an issue?   09/29/2007 06:48:18 PM PDT
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Err.. so you're saying that the season 3 armor sets will have additional armor to compensate, making penetration a moot issue so long as players are even in gear?


The priest and warlock season 2 armor sets already have +910 bonus armor on them. As of season 3, the mage set will also have the +910 armor (all the armor pen on season 3 melee gear adds up to less than 910).

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  • 13. Re: Armor penetration...Is it an issue?   09/29/2007 06:49:21 PM PDT
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The priest and warlock season 2 armor sets already have +910 bonus armor on them. As of season 3, the mage set will also have the +910 armor.

preeze answer my earlier inquiry :D

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  • 14. Re: Armor penetration...Is it an issue?   09/29/2007 06:49:36 PM PDT
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The priest and warlock season 2 armor sets already have +910 bonus armor on them. As of season 3, the mage set will also have the +910 armor.


But what difference will that make when we lose, say, 750 of it compared to a plate or mail character losing 750 of their 2500 bonus armor?
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  • 16. Re: Armor penetration...Is it an issue?   09/29/2007 06:49:57 PM PDT
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Shouldnt be, we;ve had spell penetration for ages, this is simply the melee equivalent.


How often do you expect to fight someone who has +100 resist to all spells?

How often do you expect to fight someone who wears armor?
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Kalgan
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  • 17. Re: Armor penetration...Is it an issue?   09/29/2007 06:50:58 PM PDT
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You mean... 910 whole armor out of the stat budget on armor? Or just basic 910 armor? Thats pretty ridiculous if its out of the budget...


You realize that armor pen comes out of the stat budget right?
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  • 18. Re: Armor penetration...Is it an issue?   09/29/2007 06:52:10 PM PDT
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The priest and warlock season 2 armor sets already have +910 bonus armor on them. As of season 3, the mage set will also have the +910 armor (all the armor pen on season 3 melee gear adds up to less than 910).

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  • 19. Re: Armor penetration...Is it an issue?   09/29/2007 06:52:39 PM PDT
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The priest and warlock season 2 armor sets already have +910 bonus armor on them. As of season 3, the mage set will also have the +910 armor (all the armor pen on season 3 melee gear adds up to less than 910).


So why waste budget on either stat?
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