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i was also thinking that bosses should gain avoidance so people could also get more hit/expertise without those stats exploding in pvp/lower level content.

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every raid teir avoidance is increased, but the bosses never have any form of extra expertise or increase critical strike chance (I know gear right now is balanced around them not getting any more crit)


It would make sense that they would though, they sort of do every level, so why not every raid teir?

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or...

wait for it...


they could just tone down avoidance.

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which makes avoidance a junk stat =/

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It's something we actually talk about quite a bit. We won't do it for Icecrown, but it could happen in the future.

The basic problem is that bosses don't scale with gear. Their health and damage go up. That's it. You might avoid a first tier boss 30% of the time and a final tier boss 60% of the time. That means when that final boss hits you, he needs to hit for twice as much (not even counting that he already needs to hit harder to account for your higher health and armor). If you are a dps class, you might crit a low tier boss 30% of the time and a high tier boss 50% of the time. Why should you be proportionately more powerful against more powerful enemies? If anything it just makes us scale their health and damage to extreme points.

Players generally expect the monsters in an RPG to get more powerful as the characters do. Otherwise the game just gets easier over time. WoW has traditionally not scaled any mob stats beyond damage done and health. I think if we always had done it nobody would think it was weird. You don't get disappointed for example that the bosses hit harder as your health goes up, so why should it be any different of the mobs hit more often as your avoidance goes up? Sunwell Radiance felt odd because it was a sudden, unpredictable addition. If things always had worked that way I think players would just have accepted it.

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It's something we actually talk about quite a bit. We won't do it for Icecrown, but it could happen in the future.

The basic problem is that bosses don't scale with gear. Their health and damage go up. That's it. You might avoid a first tier boss 30% of the time and a final tier boss 60% of the time. That means when that final boss hits you, he needs to hit for twice as much (not even counting that he already needs to hit harder to account for your higher health and armor). If you are a dps class, you might crit a low tier boss 30% of the time and a high tier boss 50% of the time. Why should you be proportionately more powerful against more powerful enemies? If anything it just makes us scale their health and damage to extreme points.

Players generally expect the monsters in an RPG to get more powerful as the characters do. Otherwise the game just gets easier over time. WoW has traditionally not scaled any mob stats beyond damage done and health. I think if we always had done it nobody would think it was weird. You don't get disappointed for example that the bosses hit harder as your health goes up, so why should it be any different of the mobs hit more often as your avoidance goes up? Sunwell Radiance felt odd because it was a sudden, unpredictable addition. If things always had worked that way I think players would just have accepted it.

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I don't really see the point. At that stage you might as well just remove avoidance from gear, since it's a pointless stat to get anyhow.

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Couple problems with the approach of scaling the enemies defensive stats.

Critting more often and for more is part of the fun in progressing your character through the expansion. It would seem to remove some of the carrot to say "well your character sheet says 50% crit, but this dude is just so badass your back to the 30 you had in Tier X."

The other point you make that it forces you to scale HP to an extreme level doesn't seem like a problem at all. I'd guess that most people actually like it. "OMG Arthas has 62million HP!11!!" Helps to make the encounter seem more epic.

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Perception is exactly the issue though. People see their avoidance go from 30% to 60% and expect to avoid 30% more often. When they find that they don't, a lot of people will sit there scratching their heads. You then get into the horrible problem you have with ratings and DR on avoidance now, you need an advanced differential math degree and a mod to actually figure out what X rating means. You'd successfully make the system even less transparent, further obfuscating what those numbers mean.

Now granted most of us die hard tanks are fairly powerful theorycrafters/number crunchers in our own right. However is that fair to foist that upon the entire tanking community as a whole?

Honestly I don't care what solution Blizzard implements, I only care that it's transparent to the end user and that it doesn't require mods to figure out. If I want to find out how much I'll avoid, I should look at my IN GAME character sheet, not a mod, and I shouldn't have to download a spreadsheet from a third party. I'm tired of the fact Blizzard lets that sheet lie to us. It's bad design to show a statistic and then put YMMV in parenthesis and think that's ok.

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