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You CAN make a healing class that can do both healing and dps. You just make it so there dps spells used on party members heal them. This isnt revolutionary. Its been in D&D for 30 years. And all healers and spell users use spell power (no more + healing) so there isn't a big change in gear that is required.

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This was tried somewhat already with Shadow Priests and hybrids back in the day. Vampiric Embrace used to have very strong healing which they nerfed into the ground. Hybrids originally were closer to what you propose. They didn't have double use spells (ones that hurt enemies and heal allies) but they were supposed to be jack-of-all-trades, fairly capable of everything, master at nothing.

And everyone hated that.

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LFG Tank
Need Tank, Heroic CoS
Need Healer, we are RTG
Need Healer, for Naxx 10
Need Tank, we are RTG

- This is why you need new classes. Because having so many DPS classes without an equal number of healing and tanking classes makes LFG a nightmare. We all wanted DK's to tank and not dps, blizz is at fault for that, but we need new classes because all dungeons and raids require healing and tanking and there is a constant shortage of both. Make a fun tanking and healing class to fix the problem and don't give them a dps only mentality.

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Except that any player that wants to play as a tank already has a character that can tank. Same for healing. Adding more tanking or healing classes isn't going to change the fact that tanks and healers are the hardest spots to fill in a group.

I'm directly opposed to the OP's position. I do not think this game needs any more classes. There's already lots of variety even within a single class just by way of talent specs, so there is something to suit virtually any play style you may have. What would a new class bring to the table that isn't already available?

One thing I would like to see would be an alternate to additional classes (since Blizz has stated before that they don't like the idea of adding more classes including hero classes). Allow us to take heroic levels in a base class. It would work similarly to talents but have a set progression and be more defined, in addition to talent points gained at each level. Maybe you could gain 1 heroic level for every 5 levels you have. You would also gain access to specific heroic abilities only available to your heroic class choice.

A few examples of this could be as follows:
A heroic beastmaster hunter could gain an additional pet talent point and additional contribution to their pet's HP, armor, and attack power every heroic level.

A heroic marks hunter could gain additional bonuses to damage caused with ranged weapons and reduced cost to use abilities every heroic level.

A heroic survival hunter could gain additional armor benefits (% bonus or possibly plate), bonuses with their traps, and increases the range of your attacks slightly every heroic level.

A heroic boomkin could gain additional treants, additional boomkin form benefits (possibly reduced casting time pushback, additional int or spr -> spellpower, etc) every heroic level.

A heroic feral druid could gain an animal companion (like a hunter's pet but somewhat weaker), faster movement speed while in bear or cat form, and a specific bonus to cat form and bear form (possibly all new upgraded forms like elder cat and elder bear).

A heroic resto druid could gain additional tree form benefits, an extra HoT, and the ability to cast a few extra spells while in tree form.

If they just kept adding classes it would get a little ridiculous, not to mention flavorless. While I obviously enjoyed the one addition they have made, I do NOT want to see the game go through what it did when Death Knights came into the fold again. That was months of nothing but unbalanced play, whether it be DK's being way too powerful at all they do, or way too weak.

Not worth it in my opinion.

I smell an FotM fart. /stinky

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One thing I would like to see would be an alternate to additional classes (since Blizz has stated before that they don't like the idea of adding more classes including hero classes). Allow us to take heroic levels in a base class. It would work similarly to talents but have a set progression and be more defined, in addition to talent points gained at each level. Maybe you could gain 1 heroic level for every 5 levels you have. You would also gain access to specific heroic abilities only available to your heroic class choice.

A few examples of this could be as follows:
A heroic beastmaster hunter could gain an additional pet talent point and additional contribution to their pet's HP, armor, and attack power every heroic level.

A heroic marks hunter could gain additional bonuses to damage caused with ranged weapons and reduced cost to use abilities every heroic level.

A heroic survival hunter could gain additional armor benefits (% bonus or possibly plate), bonuses with their traps, and increases the range of your attacks slightly every heroic level.

A heroic boomkin could gain additional treants, additional boomkin form benefits (possibly reduced casting time pushback, additional int or spr -> spellpower, etc) every heroic level.

A heroic feral druid could gain an animal companion (like a hunter's pet but somewhat weaker), faster movement speed while in bear or cat form, and a specific bonus to cat form and bear form (possibly all new upgraded forms like elder cat and elder bear).

A heroic resto druid could gain additional tree form benefits, an extra HoT, and the ability to cast a few extra spells while in tree form.

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They are already planning something like this with Cataclysm. Rather than calling it hero levels though, they are calling it mastery. The further you spec into a given tree, the more side benefits you get , suited to that tree.

They will probably add runemaster or similar in the future.

This hero class was based off of the expansion, odds are, the next hero class will be based thematically off of its expansion.

What I would rather see them do is kill off or renovate the original classes to be more in line with DKs.

If you have ever played the DK start chain, it feels much more like a really good single player game than it felt like World of Warcraft.

I think that's how a good class should play.

Things like the Rune System are a lot more fun than build up a bar, or worry about a bar going down.

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LFG Tank
Need Tank, Heroic CoS
Need Healer, we are RTG
Need Healer, for Naxx 10
Need Tank, we are RTG

- This is why you need new classes. Because having so many DPS classes without an equal number of healing and tanking classes makes LFG a nightmare. We all wanted DK's to tank and not dps, blizz is at fault for that, but we need new classes because all dungeons and raids require healing and tanking and there is a constant shortage of both. Make a fun tanking and healing class to fix the problem and don't give them a dps only mentality.

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DK's were added and that didn't fix the tanking problem, and it is most definately Blizzards fault. Add another class that can tank, the problem will still be the same, they want to DPS.

There's 4 classes that can tank, 4 classes that can heal, and all can DPS.

Tanks were much easier to find before dual spec's, the answer to tanking issues is not to throw another class into the game with the ability to tank, but to reshape the existing classes better.

More classes would just be redundant.

We've already covered the main archetypes in WoW lore. Anything more would just cause too much overlapping.

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More classes would just be redundant.

We've already covered the main archetypes in WoW lore. Anything more would just cause too much overlapping.

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Eh, I would like to see something like Prestige Classes or Hero classes where once you hit 80, your class can move to an upgraded class for the path of the titans.

Blizzard has learned a ton since they made WoW on class design, and the DK class is extremely well designed.

Now, if you argue that it was imbalanced on release, you would be right, but were they to design other classes with the DK paradigm (i.e. alternate resource systems than mana/energy/rage) things would be balanced and honestly the game would be much better.

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LFG Tank
Need Tank, Heroic CoS
Need Healer, we are RTG
Need Healer, for Naxx 10
Need Tank, we are RTG

- This is why you need new classes. Because having so many DPS classes without an equal number of healing and tanking classes makes LFG a nightmare. We all wanted DK's to tank and not dps, blizz is at fault for that, but we need new classes because all dungeons and raids require healing and tanking and there is a constant shortage of both. Make a fun tanking and healing class to fix the problem and don't give them a dps only mentality.

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Or I don't know.... maybe people don't like playing tanks/healers? You CAN NOT force someone to play a certain role.
(It might also help if they aren't the first people blamed for anything and everything.)

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Beyond the balance concern, which is a valid one, we don't want to over-saturate World of Warcraft with different classes. We want to make sure each class has a very distinct set of core mechanics from other classes. Continually introducing new classes can tend to bring about a feeling of redundancy if we're not fully comfortable with developing an entirely new set of mechanics distinct from the current classes.

This does not mean that we'll never consider adding new classes to the game as time moves on, but we're pretty happy with the play styles represented by the classes currently available.

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Long story short, a Ranger class would be too much like a Hunter, a Battlemage too similar to a Mage, a WItch Doctor too similar to a Shaman, etc?

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Beyond the balance concern, which is a valid one, we don't want to over-saturate World of Warcraft with different classes. We want to make sure each class has a very distinct set of core mechanics from other classes. Continually introducing new classes can tend to bring about a feeling of redundancy if we're not fully comfortable with developing an entirely new set of mechanics distinct from the current classes.

This does not mean that we'll never consider adding new classes to the game as time moves on, but we're pretty happy with the play styles represented by the classes currently available.

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Im sorry for calling you out on this but classes have become increasing similar over the years. Not adding another class due to classes having overlapping playstyles and abilities is just a bad reason imo.

A few examples of classes gaining the same spells:
A mortal strike type debuff
Silences
Spell interrupts
Fear breaks
Dispels, offensive and defensive
Disarms
Snairs/ slows
CC (this may be justified)

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Or I don't know.... maybe people don't like playing tanks/healers? You CAN NOT force someone to play a certain role.
(It might also help if they aren't the first people blamed for anything and everything.)

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and when this is suggested, its never the poster in question willing to switch. People make their own arguments invalid so often I think they don't realize what they are doing.

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Im sorry for calling you out on this but classes have become increasing similar over the years. Not adding another class due to classes having overlapping playstyles and abilities is just a bad reason imo.

A few examples of classes gaining the same spells:
A mortal strike type debuff
Silences
Spell interrupts
Fear breaks
Dispels, offensive and defensive
Disarms
Snairs/ slows
CC (this may be justified)

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Couldn't it also be argued then that since classes are already so homogenized, why should new ones be added?

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Couldn't it also be argued then that since classes are already so homogenized, why should new ones be added?

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Fair, but at this point what difference does it make?