Yeah, Garrosh and Wyrnn on opposite ends of a negotiation table sounds like a great way to have a bonfire.

Perfect setup for all-out war between the two sides.

That's exactly what I am starting to personally expect.

And it sure seems like there's going to be an interesting video at the end of Icecrown that may explain alot

of what we need to see as far as Garrosh and the others goes...

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Garrosh is a character with a lot to prove. I realize there's a great deal of consternation out there concerning the tales of what's to come, but I want to reassure you that we understand that concern. We know where you're coming from.

Why are we still going this route? With all respect, you haven't seen the entirety of who Garrosh is. You've seen a great deal of his faults, certainly, but people grow over time, and you may find, come Cataclysm, that he is not quite the disaster you portend. :)

(Mind you, that doesn't mean he's Thrall, either.)

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What the....so he is not going to get killed by some random mob and thus allow Saurfang to take the helm?

How disappointing.

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That's quite true. Garrosh lives in his fathers shadow, and Varian is just...well...hmm...a brat? A whiner? I dunno, someone from the Alliance help me out here.

Either way, it should make for some interesting dialogue.

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According to lore, Varian's dad King Liane, was assassinated by those damn orcs. Technically not by the orc but of the Black Rock Clan (Orc).

Thats why Varian wants to kill Garrosh, because he HATES Orcs.


Anyway, Thrall wouldn't be your leader if it was for the Alliance anyway ;).... Since Doomhammer, raised the orc, taught him to read, to fight, and how to get passed peoples defense and he would use Alliance towers for example not to get caught.

If you played WC you could easily believe me if you don't (/glare). During Thralls campaign, when you send him to go kill something he yells "FOR DOOMHAMMER"... but yeah while that's completely irrelvant. Thought i'd let you know why Thrall is such a badass compared to Garrosh(a retard)

Touché, indeed, to the Blue.

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You're assuming that nothing will happen between Icecrown Citadel's release and Cataclysm's launch. That's interesting. :)

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<casts Tame Beast on Kisirani>

Tell me your secrets!

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You're assuming that nothing will happen between Icecrown Citadel's release and Cataclysm's launch. That's interesting. :)

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I bet, during either the raid or 5 man, when the final showdown comes down, Jaina runs to Arthas and shes like "Arthas" and he looks at her and says "You....denied.....me" and he rips her apart with the Frostmourne bauauahahahhahha

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You're assuming that nothing will happen between Icecrown Citadel's release and Cataclysm's launch. That's interesting. :)

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Well, yeah... considering that Cataclysm's timeline was described as starting during the raid on Icecrown, it seems rather difficult to see how something could happen between the two.

TBH and being an ex-horde, I bow myself to Thrall, seeing both sides of the lore inclines myself to the horde quite a lot more. Our dumbass emo king is no more than a sociapath, hot headed, vengeful human, as sometimes we are all. He is the incarnation of the many mistakes we actually do on an everyday basis and thats what makes me sick of having him as a leader. The history has shown how corrupt can become the human race, it shows in the game and it shows in RL and thats a good point of view from Blizzard. Thrall has been in gritty situations like Wrynn and still is an excellent diplomat, a respectful leader, and excellent warchief even if he needs to kill an alliance army he does it with style and coolness. As the rumors say.

Garrosh as the leader of the Horde? mmm I have my reservations about it. Expelling the other races from Orgrimmar makes me think he's a racist dictator and forgives how the rest of the horde races helped conquer what they have nowadays. Expelling the undead? Well they have done plenty of damage for both sides and even to themselves, but still Sylvannas is a great part of what the horde is right now.

I believe Garrosh will be a chaotic leader of the horde, making it old school bloodthirst warfare, but with the modern times twist. And maybe we will see Thrall having second thoughts about leaving the leadership because of the inner war that will come with this cleansing of Orggrimmar. We don't know what will happen to our leaders on IC but Im pretty sure it will be an epic lore closure for this expansion and not like TBC.

I bow to Thrall and allow myself to say FOR THE HORDE! on my alliance toon because hes one great leader and I allow myself to turn my back to Wrynn because hes to freaking emo and dumb.

Sadly I can see that, though killing one of the few level heads in the Alliance won't go a long way towards

making the game stay... Who am I kidding, they likely have a plan for Jaina, and I don't think it's going to be

pretty.

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You're assuming that nothing will happen between Icecrown Citadel's release and Cataclysm's launch. That's interesting. :)

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It would have to be something major to the point of he doesn't want to kill Alliance on sight. Which, correct me if I'm wrong, is the overall direction you guys, now after this many years, are wanting to take the game. Even though it still doesn't make a lick of sense given the dangers that still threaten both sides of the fence.



Not saying he has to be a total lover of alliance like Thrall is, but he's yay close to being like the horde of old as it is, without the demon excuse.

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Sadly I can see that, though killing one of the few level heads in the Alliance won't go a long way towards

making the game stay... Who am I kidding, they likely have a plan for Jaina, and I don't think it's going to be

pretty.

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I'm telling you she gets pwned in IC

Because Thrall is a smart leader, and you can't have WARcraft when the Horde are lead by a diplomatic, smart leader who aims for peace.

As I said in the "If you don't want Garrosh, then who?" thread:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20122738123&sid=1

(I'll summarize)

Garrosh is necessary for the Horde if war is emminent. The ordeal with Putress has basically made it impossible to vie for peace, and as such, the factions must prepare for war. A peaceful leader will now be a hindrance rather than a help. In war, as with any test of strength or wits, you must strive for victory, or you will be defeated. If you only focus on avoiding defeat, you will lack the strength to win.

However, Garrosh knows war well, but he lacks all the other aspects of a leader. He cannot manage a city, much less a full nation or the whole Horde. However, he has the tools necessary to help him. Or should I say tool? Saurfang. He has been advising Garrosh since the step into Northrend, keeping his brash ideas in check, helping him to avoid blunders. Eventually, with Saurfang keeping him in check and giving him advice, Garrosh will be forced to adapt to some of Saurfang's mentality. If he does, Garrosh will become a great leader as well. It is with advisors that Garrosh will make his change.

(However, it has been speculated that Magatha might try to use this opportunity to take an advisory position with Garrosh, and cause the conflict with Cairne. If this happens, Magatha will likely support and advize towards Garrosh's bloodthirsty tendencies, as he would be easier to control. With Magatha's council, Saurfang's influence may likely be wiped out, as it is easier to turn to your original mindset than keep a new one.)

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He has been advising Garrosh since the step into Northrend, keeping his brash ideas in check, helping him to avoid blunders. Eventually, with Saurfang keeping him in check and giving him advice, Garrosh will be forced to adapt to some of Saurfang's mentality. If he does, Garrosh will become a great leader as well. It is with advisors that Garrosh will make his change.

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Except it's been made clear that Garrosh has been actively ignoring Saurfang.

If I remember, there's even a letter from Saurfang to Horde players, pre-Wrathgate, that indicates Garrosh isn't paying attention to Saurfang's advice.

And his lines in Dalaran, and at the Argent Tournament, all indicate he has been ignoring the advice of even his Warchief due to his beliefs...

Sounds very plausible, I'm wondering what their meetings are like on this subject.

I personnally think that Thrall is not going to hand over the reins to garrosh, but be "voted out" by other orcs. He is respectful and honorable almost to a fault. I think that if the horde come to a conclusion that they don't want Thrall as a leader, he will respect said votes and leave, THUS becoming one of the GREATER heroes there are, since if he does leave the horde for any reason, it may make him a viable neutral character, perhaps even setting up camp somewhere as a whole new faction.

It's just a thought and i don't know if this will be true, i'm just putting my two cents in, but i honestly think that Blizzard has bigger plans for our wayward orc, that he needs to be part of both factions, not just the horde. If you really think about it, the alliance need thrall just as much or more so than the horde do