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  • 0. Bear Tanking in 3.2.2 and beyond!!   09/26/2009 11:45:55 AM PDT
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Bear Tanking in 3.2.2 and beyond!!

Updated: November 13,2009

I wrote this as a guide for every cub out there who wants to learn to be a Bear!! I will include Gearing, Specs, Rotation and threat issues and Stat conversions.

Table of Context:

Part 1: FAQS
Part 2: Basic Stats and the Benefits they provide
Part 3: Specs, Glyph, and Idol choices
Part 4: Rotation, and threat generation
Part 5: Consumables, Gems, Enchants, and Profession Bonuses
Part 6: Macros
Part 7: Gearing for 25man hardmodes without raiding?!?!
Part 8: Q & A


Part 1: FAQs

These are the currently most common questions asked in our forums about bear tanks.

Who is Alamo?
Alamo teechs u 2 play DURID! For more information see the link!
http://www.wowwiki.com/Alamo

Can a Bear be a main tank/ do they make good tanks?
Absolutely!! When WotLK was first released the developers made it a core goal to bring all tanks in line with each other and for the most part do away with gimmicks that didn’t allow certain tanks to perform. Ghostcrawler, beta forum CM extraordinaire, has posted a big (well, big for a blue post) overview of some of the goals and decisions for tanking in Wrath. It goes something like this:
• All four tanking classes should be viable.
• Tanking should be "a little more fun."
• Most characters in tanking classes (Warriors, Druids, Paladins, Death Knights) should be able to tank a normal five-man just fine, with heal specs (for Druids and Paladins) being the exception.
• Heroics and raids will require investment in tanking talents, but all tanking classes should be able to tank them if appropriately specced. Ghostcrawler notes that this is a change of strategy for Blizz; previously, for instance, feral druids were positioned by the devs as being better off-tanks than main tanks. Now, he says, "If nearly all guilds want the same class as their MT, we've failed."
This is great news for us and so far has definitely proven to be true. A bear is completely capable of tanking all content currently in game as a main tank or as an off tank!!

How much Defense do I need to be crit Immune?
NONE!! Druids don’t use Defense or resilience to become crit immune in PvE. We have a talent called Survival of the Fittest (SotF). This talent reduces the chance to be critically struck by 6% and a raid boss only has a 5.6% chance to crit you! So we are crit immune through talents. Defense is still a decent avoidance stat but it’s not a must have stat for a bear to tank like it is for all the other tanking classes.

Do weapon and enchant procs work in bear and cat form?
Yes! Ever since patch 3.0 druid have been able to benefit from weapons that have a proc or from proc based weapon enchants such as Mongoose.

Does my weapon skill out of form affect me in Bear form?
No. You are always at the equivalent of maximum weapon skill while you are in bear or cat form.

I heard that Bears can't use potions, is that true?
Nope!! Ever since 3.0 the developers have blessed us with the ability to use potions while in form!

Can I still be a Hybrid bear and cat?
Depends on the content… There are specs that will allow you to perform adequately as a tank and as a cat but when it comes to progression content (first kills) you have to give up too many dps talents or too many tank talents to really maximize either role. The name of the game in Wrath is specialization, especially when it comes to tanking. The Feral tree has been changed so that you pretty much have to choose to have a bear or a cat spec to truely maximize either role.

What Addons do I need for tanking?
Any raider worth their salt will be running Deadly boss mods or Big Wigs. These addons will help you know when to expect big damage or other significant events while tanking in raids.
As a tank you also have to have Omen threat meter. Since WotLK, the designers in blizzard now allow Omen threat meter to get exact numbers on threat levels for a target. Previously they were just estimations. As a tank, you have two main jobs. Keep the attention of all the baddies and not die. Omen help you make sure you are doing part one.

Am I ready for Heroics, Raids, etc?
There are a few good sites that can give you a general idea of your readiness for raiding.
be.imba.hu
www.wow-heroes.com

Where can I find more information about Bears?
The Druid Wiki: http://druid.wikispaces.com - Druidism at it's best
Blog 1: wowthinktank.blogspot.com - Great blog with math to back up the information
Blog 2: http://thebigbearbutt.com - Funny blog about general bear problems
Elitist Jerks Druid pages: http://elitistjerks.com/f73/ - Great detailed posts
RAWR: www.codeplex.com/Rawr - For gearing questions
www.tankspot.com - For good how to videos for encounters

Patch 3.3
Icecrown Radiance is nerfing my dodge by 20%!! That means Druids are dead doesn't it?
Not at all. Actually we should be affected LESS than any other tank. The idea behind the debuff is that they can tone down the damage per hit and we will just be hit more often. This is a actually a very good thing for raiding in general. It should end the days of getting randomly instagibbed and allow for a less bursty raid environment.

The key to remember is that druids are likely the least affected tank by this debuff not the most. All tanks capable of tanking in ICC will have >20% dodge. This means that they are losing the same amount of avoidance as we are. WE WILL BE FINE. Amazing even. I look forward to seeing each of you as we battle the Lich King in ICC.

http://wowthinktank.blogspot.com/2009/10/general-druid-icewell-radiance-bears.html
Is a fantastic in depth look at how bears will fare in the new raiding environment!

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  • 1. Re: ...   09/26/2009 11:46:27 AM PDT
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Part 2: Basic Stats and the Benefits they provide

This section will touch on the basic stats that you will be looking for and the benefits they provide you in bear form. All of the conversions are assuming you have a proper bear spec including HotW, SotF & Imp. MotW talents. And the numbers in (brackets) are with blessing of kings. (source: http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t36999-feral_druid_numbers_updated_3_2_2_a/) Special thanks to Rarebeast from EJ for this info

Strength – provides attack power
1 Str = 2.37864 AP (2.616504 AP) (Cat)
1 Str = 2.1624 AP (2.37864 AP) (Bear)
1 Str = 2.292144 AP (2.5213584 AP) (Bear with PotP)

Agility – Main tanking avoidance stat. We are in love with you.
1 Agi = 1.18932 AP (1.308252 AP) (Cat only)
1 Agi = 0.0129744% (0.01427184%) Crit
1 Agi = 0.0225641% (0.0248206%) Dodge
1 Agi = 2.1624 (2.37864) Armor

77.075 (70.068) Agi = 1% Crit
44.318 (40.289)Agi = 1% Dodge

Stamina – Provides health, a major tanking stat.
1 Sta = 10.812 (11.8932) Health (Cat)
1 Sta = 14.8665 (16.35315) Health (Bear)

Intellect – Practically useless for tanking.
1 Int = 19.4616 (21.40776) Mana
1 Int = 0.00778464% (0.0085631%) SpellCrit

125.458 (116.780) Int = 1% SpellCrit

Intellect also increases the amount of health & mana regen you get from Spirit - not very important for ferals

Spirit – Even more useless than Intel for tanking.
Spirit increases you’re out of combat health regen and your out of 5sec rule mana regen - not very important for ferals

Crit Rating – Crit does provide us with increased savage defense procs.. But, don’t stack it, it will come on your rogue leather and weapons most likely anyhow. (Also a decent threat stat)
1 CritRating = 0.022% Crit
45.91 CritRating = 1% Crit

Dodge Rating – We get more dodge from agility, but not a bad stat to pick up on gear. (never gem for it)
1 DodgeRating = 0.0220982% Dodge
45.2525 DodgeRating = 1% Dodge

Haste Rating – Strong single target threat stat... no mitigation use. Only Maul will scale off of it... but maul makes up a pretty hefty chunk of our total damage/threat
1 HasteRating = 0.03965% Haste
25.223 HasteRating = 1% Haste

Hit Rating – lowers your chance to miss. Our hit cap is 263 (8%) or 230 with a Draenai.
1 HitRating = 0.030% Hit
32.79 HitRating = 1% Hit

Cap vs Level 80 mob = 5% Hit = 163.95 HitRating
Cap vs Level 81 mob = 5.5% Hit = 180.34 HitRating
Cap vs Level 82 mob = 6% Hit = 196.74 HitRating
Cap vs Level 83 mob = 8% Hit = 262.32 HitRating (Raid Bosses)

Expertise Rating – Best threat stat per point up till 6.5% then it’s equal with hit.
1 ExpertiseRating = 0.0305% reduction in dodge & parry chance
32.79 ExpertiseRating = 1% reduction in dodge & parry chance

Cap vs Level 80 mob = 5%(Dodge) / ?%(Parry) = 163.95 / ? ExpertiseRating
Cap vs Level 81 mob = 5.5%(Dodge) / ?%(Parry) = 180.345 / ? ExpertiseRating
Cap vs Level 82 mob = 6%(Dodge) / ?%(Parry) = 196.74 / ? ExpertiseRating
Cap vs Level 83 mob = 6.5%(Dodge) / 15%(Parry) = 213.135 / 491.85 ExpertiseRating (Raid Bosses)

The 10 Expertise we get from Primal Precision is equivalent to 81.975 ExpertiseRating so subtract that from the above figures if you have that talent. (which you better)

Defense Rating – Gives a chance for the mob to miss us – (actually starts to pass Agility as a pure avoidance stat at around 50% dodge due to Diminishing returns) Agility is still a better all around stat due to the armor and crit rating it provides up till around 60% dodge
1 DefenseRating = 0.008% dodge and 0.008% chance to be missed and 0.008% reduced chance to be crit (Crit reduction not needed for PvE if you have SotF )
122.96 Defense Rating = 1% chance to dodge and 1% chance to be missed and 1% reduced chance to be crit (Crit reduction not needed for PvE if you have SotF )

1 DefRating = 0.64 DodgeRating (counting misses as dodges)

ArmorPenetration Rating – threat stat.. will come by default on our main gear pieces
1 ArPenRating = 0.07145% ArmorPenetration
13.9957272 ArPenRating = 1% Armor Penetration

ArPen cap (100%) = 1400 ArPen

Resilience – No need for resilience in PvE
94.27125 Resilience = -1% chance to be crit, -2.2% crit damage, -1% all damage & -2.2% mana drain reduction

1414.06872 Resilience = 33% reduction from crit damage = the cap for this part of resilience's effect

Regular (white) Armor – With the changes to druid armor since BC you are in no danger of hitting the armor cap anytime soon and can stack it wherever you can find a place. It’s a phenomenal mitigation stat.
Includes non-bonus armor from all slots except rings, trinkets, neck & weapon. All armor from rings, trinkets, neck & weapon as well as armor patchs & any bonus (green) armor on items & armor from Agi receive no bonus from SotF, Thick Hide or the metagem

1 Armor = 6.251 Armor (Bear)
1 Armor = 6.8761 Armor (Bear with Thick Hide)
1 Armor = 7.013622 Armor (Bear with Thick Hide & Armor Metagem)

Damage Reduction from Armor % = Armor * 100 / (Armor + (467.5 * AttackerLevel - 22167.5))

DR% for Lvl83 Boss mobs = Armor * 100 / (Armor + 16635)

Armor cap (75% DR) for Lvl83 Boss mobs = 49905 Armor

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  • 2. Re: ...   09/26/2009 11:46:57 AM PDT
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Part 3: Spec, and Glyph choices

This section will touch on the appropriate specs and a brief explanation

The cookie cutter bear spec is going to look like this:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0ZxGGscrzceRcczVkbAczb:z0ncMz

This spec gives you the top threat producing and mitigation talents. It should be your standard tanking build. (The 5 points from Master Shapeshifter can be moved into Feral Aggression if you are responsible for providing that debuff)


The Max Survival spec would look something like:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0ZERGscrdceRcczVkbA0z:z0ncMz

With this spec you give up a fair amount of AoE threat so this build wouldn’t be good for general purpose / add tanking, but gives added survivability by picking up Feral Aggression and lowering the cooldown on our only interrupt Bash.


For max threat (only use if you way out gear the instance)
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0ZxGMsfrzceoc0uqkbEczb:zN0cMz

I wouldn’t suggest this build for much more than goofing off in heroics after you are in late Uld gear or better. You give up a fair amount of mitigation but pick up the ability to cat dps decently and do significantly more dps/threat in bear. You would use KoTJ on CD with this build. NEVER USE IN PROGRESSION RAIDING.


A decent semi hybrid build looks like this:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0ZxGGsfrzceRccuVkbA0z:z0ncMz

This build is the perfect Off-Tank build. You are giving up MSS for KoTJ and Shredding attacks. Shred is your main cat damage ability and KoTJ offers a good bit of energy regen allowing you to do decent cat dps for playing in heroics or lower lvl raids. I use this as an off tank build because it gives me added dps in cat at the cost of threat in bear (which I rarely have a problem with anyhow) so I am not losing any survivability.


Glyphs:

There are really very few good Feral Tank glyphs available.

Glyph of Maul: Your Maul ability now hits 1 additional target
A must have... Takes your highest threat ability and doubles the number of people it hits. A must for aoe threat, and a great glyph in general

Glyph of Frenzied Regeneration: While Frenzied Regeneration is active, healing effects on you are 20% more powerful.
Gives you another dependable Cooldown to use when you are expecting heavy damage, be careful on the useage of this one as it can drain your rage quickly if you aren’t main tanking big hits. (also works better proactively than reactively)

Glyph of Survival Instincts: Your Survival Instincts ability grants an additional 15% of your maximum health.
This is a very solid glyph as it buffs your go to, reactive oh !*@% button.

Glyph of Growling: Increases the chance for your Growl ability to work successfully by 8%.
Growl is actually considered a spell so it’s based on the spell miss chance.. this glyph will give your growl ability hit cap if you are at the melee hit cap. Good for situations where missing a growl means wiping your raid. If you take this one, then swap the maul one for it. Just remember to swap back to maul before trash/heroics.


Minor Glyphs:
There are two glyphs that directly help you while tanking.

Glyph of Challenging Roar: Reduces the cooldown of your Challenging Roar ability by 30 sec.
Best of what’s around for minor glyphs, brings the CD of Challenging roar from 3min to 2 and a half…

Glyph of Thorns: Increases the duration of your Thorns ability by 50 min when cast on yourself. This helps to guarantee you will have thorns up the entire duration of a fight.


While we are on glyphs, Acornbrain of the Scilia server mentioned he had read an article on Felhoof's blog (http://wowthinktank.blogspot.com/2009/04/generalglyphs-are-new-flask.html) about using glyphs just like we use flasks.


Q u o t e:
I have Frenzied Regen and Survival Instincts glyphed almost permanenetly. Maul and Growl I interchange. A glyphed maul is dangerous when your raid is using CC (e.g. Faction Champs. trash leading to Vezax, IC, etc), but is useful on Cat Lady, Twins and maybe Jaxx when the Mistress is up. It is useless on a single boss. Growl is useful on Gormok and Faction Champs to reduce taunt misses.


This is very good advice. And taking into consideration the low cost and high utility of adjustments like this.. I would suggest it to all the bears out there.


Idols:

For starting off as a new tank there is a great idol available for doing PVP dailies in Grizzly Hills. It buffs the base damage of both Swipe and Maul and will help your threat starting off.

Idol of Perspicacious Attacks: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38365
Increases the damage dealt by your Maul ability by 120 and Swipe ability by 24.

Currently as you get into endgame raiding you will have two tanking options. Below is a review of each

Idol of Mutilation: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47668
200 dodge rating = 4.42% dodge

Idol of the Corrupter: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45509
153 agility * 1.1 (kings) * 1.06 (SotF) *1.02 (motw) = 181.965 effective agility = 3.797% dodge
363.93 armor
2.18% crit

So you lose 0.623% dodge...
but you gain roughly 364 armor and 2.18% crit (savage defense)

So for now Idol of Corrupter is our Best in Slot and available from simple conquest badges!

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  • 3. Re: ...   09/26/2009 11:47:30 AM PDT
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Part 4: Rotation, cooldowns, and threat generation


I am going to start this section with a brief description of each of our threat producing abilities that are worth noting.

Maul - A strong attack that increases melee damage by 578 and causes a high amount of threat. Effects which increase Bleed damage also increase Maul damage.
That means that mangle increases its damage. You should have it glyphed and be specced for Rend and Tear. With a Mangle and a lacerate on a target, Maul will be the highest threat ability you have. It’s also not associated with the GCD. It executes on the next melee swing (replacing the “white” melee hit with a maul instead.) A best practice is to have it macroed to all your other abilities so that it is constantly qued up and you produce maximum threat.

Mangle - Mangle the target for 115% normal damage plus 299 and causes the target to take 30% additional damage from bleed effects for 12 sec. Also affects Mauls damage. This ability should be used every cool down for max threat.

Faerie Fire (Feral) - Decrease the armor of the target by 5% for 5 min. While affected, the target cannot stealth or turn invisible. Deals [AP * 0.15 + 1] damage and additional threat when used in Bear Form or Dire Bear Form. This abilitly deals almost the exact same amount of threat as Mangle, and should be used every single cooldown as part of your normal rotation for proper threat.

Lacerate - Lacerates the enemy target, dealing 88 damage and making them bleed for 320 damage over 15 sec and causing a high amount of threat. Damage increased by attack power. This effect stacks up to 5 times on the same target. Keep lacerate at 5 stacks and refresh when it has less than 3 seconds left for max threat. With the talent rend and tear, it buffs Mauls damage and with Primal Gore talent has a chance to crit and provide you with a Savage Defense proc.

Swipe - Swipe nearby enemies, inflicting 108 damage. Damage increased by attack power. Hello AoE threat. Macro Glyphed Maul to this ability and mash as fast as you can on AoE pulls. You should tab target through the mobs to make sure they are all getting some love from your maul as well. On single target you want to use swipe as a filler when Lacerate is fully stacked, Mangle and FFF are both on CD.

Growl - Taunts the target to attack you, but has no effect if the target is already attacking you.
It functions just like the Warrior's Taunt, which operates in the following manner:
1: sets your current threat equal to the highest player on the mob's threat list.
2: forces it to attack you for 3 seconds
As Taunt, Growl can be resisted by the mob, and certain mobs are also immune.


Rotation and common Mistakes

AoE threat – The key to AoE threat generation for a feral tank is combined use of Swipe and glyphed Maul. I like to keep a little ahead of my dps so I can get a couple strong swipes in before they start in. Best practices is to que maul up and charge in, FFF while charging and smack your target with Mangle on arrival. Then you can spam your swipe/maul macro and tab target your secondary targets. It’s a very good practice to use raid icons so the dps can focus the target you have the most threat on.


Single Target threat – The key to strong single target threat is keeping FFF and Mangle on cd and make sure you are keeping a full stack of Lacerate up and Maul qued up at all times. The only time Bears seem to have threat problems is in the first few seconds of a pull. I overcome this by using FFF till the boss becomes attackable, then immediately smacking them with Mangle, after that I will lay a single lacerate down and then berserk and mangle/maul macro till berserk is over giving me a good threat lead. After that I work on stacking my lacerate to five always using mangle and fff as soon as they come off cool down. Once you have lacerate stacked to five you only need to refresh it when there is about 3 seconds left and you will use swipe as filler. Maul should be qued up as close to 100% of the time as possible.

After you get your lacerate to 5 stacks your rotation will look something like this
Mangle
FFF
Swipe
Swipe
Mangle
FFF
Swipe
Lacerate
startover (you will actually have time to lacerate again if it gets parried without losing your stack)


Use of Cooldowns -

We have 3 major cooldowns. Barkskin, Survival Instincts, and Frenzied Regeneration

Barkskin - The druid's skin becomes as tough as bark. All damage taken is reduced by 20%. While protected, damaging attacks will not cause spellcasting delays. This spell is usable while stunned, frozen, incapacitated, feared or asleep. Useable in all forms.
Barkskin is on a short CD, only 1 minute, and should be used anytime heavy damage is expected. Smart useage of this will greatly reduce the strain on your healers. The glyph for it is useless in pve.

Survival Instincts - When activated, this ability temporarily grants you 30% of your maximum health for 20 sec while in Bear Form, Cat Form, or Dire Bear Form. After the effect expires, the health is lost. When glyphed it will increase you health by an amazing 45%!! This is the oh Sh-T button of choice. If you are about to die this is the one to hit, it can save you from immediate death. Longer cooldown though (3 min) It also works very well with Frenzied Regen because that talent restores health based on max HP.

Frenzied Regeneration - Converts up to 10 rage per second into health for 10 sec. Each point of rage is converted into 0.3% of max health. This is a very effective CD when Glyphed. The glyph is a near must have. The glyph causes all healing to be increased by 20% while Frenzied Regen is active. Making it a great CD to live through very healing intensive moments.

As a general rule of thumb it's best to use your cooldowns seperately rather than blowing them all at once. This gives you the most time to live overall. But if you hit that moment of OMGHEMUSTDIENOWORIWILL ... Well, blow them all and become nearly invulnerable.

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  • 4. Re: ...   09/26/2009 11:48:02 AM PDT
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Part 5: Consumables, Gems, Enchants, and Profession Bonuses

Food Buffs
(Foods all conversions include the kings buff and have been rounded down)

Blackened Dragonfin – 40 Agility and 40 Stamina (654 HP, 0.99% dodge, 0.57% Crit and 95 armor)

Fish Feast -80 Attack Power, 46 Spell Power, and 40 Stamina. (654 HP and 80 attack power)

Rhinolicious Wormsteak – 40 Expertise Rating and 40 Stamina (654 HP and 1.22% expertise)

There are a ton of different buff foods available but these three are the only ones you should ever even look at as a bear. The Blackend Dragonfin is by FAR the best bear food available. The only time you should substitute anything else is if you are being cheap and can’t resist the free fish feast in front of you. The Rhinolicious Wormsteak is a better food than the Fish feast for us… but honestly, if you are going to buy your own food, buy the Blackened Dragonfin.

Potions

Seeing as we have been blessed with the ability to use Potions while in bear form… This section will address what’s available and what you get out of it. Remember you can only use 1 while in combat.

Runic Healing Potion – Restores 2700-4500 Health (the stereotypical Oh !%## potion)

Indestructible Potion – Increases armor by 3500 for 2min. (3500 armor roughly equal to 2.38% Damage reduction) (More on fun uses for this in a moment)

Now the Indestructible potion is an interesting Potion… On one hand it’s a little mathier to figure out its benefits and two you can sort of abuse the 1pot per combat rule. If you use one just before entering combat you can theoretically have 4minutes of uptime on the armor bonus.

Math behind Indestructible Potion… Standard boss attack speed is 2.0. I have 56.427% Avoidance after DR. That means over 2 minutes I am taking around 38 mitigated hits. The average melee hits for me in ToC 25 are around 20K (I have 66.58% damage reduction from armor). That means, pre-mitigation, they are swinging for around 60k. So we take the 2.38% additional damage reduction times the 60k unmitigated swing means we are shaving off roughly 1428 damage per swing over about 38 swings. Based on those numbers, I am saving roughly 54,264 health from white melee hits alone. A fair bit more than the health from a runic healing potion. And if we are able to get a full 4 minutes out of using two pots then that number doubles to 108,528 health saved. (plus the damage reduction from special attacks that armor has an effect on)

There is an argument for saving your pot CD for a health pot in a bad situation. But the armor pots deliver a lot more mileage.


What to gem:

Agility, Stam, or combined! The decision on what to stack, stam, agility or balanced is determined by the content you are running. If you are doing hard modes and deep progression it’s usually best to stack stamina.

Nightmare Tear: +10 to all stats - unique and prismatic. This is a great gem for us. Use it to grab a socket bonus you really don't want to miss.
Delicate Cardinal Ruby: 20 Agility
Solid Majestic Zircon: 30 Stamina
Shifting Dreadstone: 10 Agility and 15 Stamina
Meta Gem: Austere Earthsiege Diamond: 32 Stamina and 2% increased armor value


What to Enchant:
This is assuming you don’t have any profession buffed chants.

Head: The tanking helm enchant from the Argent Crusade is the only choice.
Arcanum of the Stalwart Protector – 37 stamina and 20 defense.

Shoulders: The shoulder enchant comes from Sons of Hodir
Greater Inscription of the Pinnacle - 20 Dodge rating and 15 defense rating
There is also an alternate from Wintergrasp PvP zone
Greater Inscription of the Gladiator - 30 Stamina and 15 resilience

Chest: Powerful Stats - +10 to all stats is the best of what’s around

Belt: Add a buckle and drop any one of the gems we talked about into it

Legs: Frosthide Leg Armor – 55 Stamina and 22 agility is absolutely amazing for us

Boots: We actually have two good options. Either Greater Fortitude – 22 stamina… or Tuskarr’s Vitality which provides minor run speed increase and 15 Stamina

Bracers: Major Stamina – 40 Stamina is the cat’s meow.

Gloves: Major Agility- 20 agility is the best option available on gloves

Cloak: Major Agility- worth an additional 22 agility

Weapon: This one has brought about some debate lately. Mongoose or Blood Draining.

Mongoose - On fights that I have a boss on me the entire fight I see about a 45% uptime on Mongoose.
120 Agility = 2.978% dodge, 1.71% Crit and 285 Armor
2% haste = 2% haste (threat, yummy maul)

Blood Draining - Permanently enchants your weapon to sometimes grant Blood Reserve when striking an enemy or inflicting damage with bleed attacks. When you fall below 35% health, Blood Reserve restores 360 to 440 health per stack and can crit. Lasts 20 sec.
Blood Reserve Buff stacks up to 5 times with a 10sec ICD between each stack. Receiving the heal removes the buff (all stacks) but doesn't affect the ICD for the buff.
Blooding Reserve has a 50% chance to apply 1 stack per attack. (Lacerate ticks count towards this)

Blood Reserve Heal:
One stack: 360 to 440 healing
Two Stacks: 720 to 880 healing
Three Stacks: 1080 to 1320 healing
Four Stacks: 1440 to 1760 healing
Five Stacks: 1800 to 2200 healing

Both enchants are worth looking at. I feel that Mongoose is the better enchant for most situations but I haven’t found any accurate way to mathematically determine which is best. It would seem that the only time the Blood Draining out scales Mongoose (IMHO) is for situational Hard Mode tanking. We have had some very good discussions about the two and either choice you make will benefit you.

Personally.... I roll with Mongoose.

Profession Bonuses
(all conversions include the kings buff, only take into account the gain from a non profession based bonus and have been rounded down)

Jewelcrafting – Very Flexible, Allows you to equip 3 Dragon’s eye gems that are much more powerful than standard epic gems. (They are no longer prismatic)
3X Solid Dragon’s Eye - 63 stamina (1030 HP)
3x Delicate Dragon’s Eye – 42 Agility (1.04% dodge, 99.9 armor, and 0.599% crit)

Blacksmithing – Allows you to add two Blacksmith only sockets to your gear
2x Solid Majestic Zircon – 60 Stamina (981 HP)
2x Delicate Cardinal Ruby – 40 Agility (0.99% dodge, 95 armor, and 0.57% crit)
2x Shifting Dreadstone – 20 Agility and 30 Stamina (0.496% dodge, 47.5 Armor, 0.285% crit and 490 HP)

Leatherworking – You get a much improved Wrist enchant
Fur Lining – 102 Stamina. A 62 stamina increase over the standard tanking bracer enchant (1013 HP)
OR a resistance enchant worth 70 additional Resistance to a specific type of magic… could prove very useful in Icecrown.
But you also get a couple of other raid worthy perks from LW.
Drums of Forgotten Kings – 8% to all stats for the entire raid for when your pally is MIA (doesn't stack with kings)
Drums of the Wild – Useless to a druid LW because you will always have Gift of the Wild. (doesn't stack with Mark/Gift of the wild)

Mining – Flat stamina bonus
Toughness – 60 stamina (981 HP)

Enchanting – Gives you the ability to enchant your rings
2x Enchant Ring – Stamina -60 Stamina (981 HP)

Inscription – Gives powerful shoulder enchants
Master’s Inscription of the Pinnacle – 60 Dodge rating and 15 defense rating
An improvement of 40 dodge rating over the Son’s of Hodir enchant (0.88% dodge)

Alchemy – Mixology - You receive an increased effect and duration when you drink any elixir or flask you are able to make.
Flask of stone blood – gives 650 more hp and lasts 2 hours instead of 1.

Tailoring – Special Tailoring only cloak enchants
Swordguard Embroidery - Embroiders a magical pattern into your cloak, causing your damaging melee and ranged attacks to sometimes increase your attack power by 400 for 15 sec.
You have to give up 22 agility for this enchant… Terrible profession for us…

Herbalism – Lifeblood, self heal
Lifeblood – 3600 healing over 5 seconds. Scales slightly with Max health, and isn’t affected by the GCD… Good to macro with Barkskin. Not worth a profession slot based on this bonus alone. (You may still want it for the ability to pick herbs.. but never pick herbalism for this heal.)

Skinning – Critical strike rating increased
Master of Anatomy – Increases your Critical Strike Rating by 40 (0.88% crit)

Engineering – harder to explain
Flexweave Underlay – 23 agility and parachute to cloak… So 1 more agility and a parachute..
Reticulated Armor Webbing – 885 Armor at the cost of 20 Agility
Jeeves – Repairs for your raid!!
And many other weird and random gizmos and gadgets… some of which are near useless and some of which you just need to be creative with to maximize.

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  • 5. Re: ...   09/26/2009 11:48:35 AM PDT
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Part 6: Macros

I mentioned Macros that add Maul to each of your abilities. Here are those macros. Use the ? icon and copy and paste, it will automatically fill in the correct picture of the ability and show the cooldown like normal. I will also be adding more macros as I think of them / as people remind me ;)

Mangle:

#showtooltip
/cast Mangle (bear)(rank 5)
/cast !Maul

Feral Faerie Fire:

#showtooltip
/cast Faerie Fire (feral)
/cast !Maul

Lacerate:

#showtooltip
/cast Lacerate
/cast !Maul

Swipe:

#showtooltip
/cast Swipe (bear)(Rank 8)
/cast !Maul



For marking your targets I suggest Keybind the raid target icons to your Numpad.. or you can use this

This next macro sets whomever you FFF to have the Skull Icon.

#showtooltip Faerie Fire
/cast Faerie Fire (Feral)
/script SetRaidTarget("target",8)
/startattack


For emergeny rage generation when you can't afford the cost of the debuff from enrage you can spam this: Press it twice and you will get a quick 20 rage without the armor debuff

#showtooltip Enrage
/cancelaura enrage
/cast Enrage

Walk up to a vendor and open it up the click this next macro to sell every gray quality item in your bag... Nothing to do with tanking.. but great for getting rid of a bunch of stuff when soloing as a bear!!

/script for bag = 0, 4 do for slot = 1, GetContainerNumSlots(bag) do local name = GetContainerItemLink(bag,slot) if name and string.find(name,"ff9d9d9d") then DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Selling "..name) UseContainerItem(bag,slot) end end end

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Part 7: Gear list with out using any 25 man raiding!!

This gear list has been fully updated. The orginal post was from a Druid named Karnac on the Burning Blade server. I have gone through (with lots of help from others) and corrected and edited it to bring it up to date. I have used only one piece of gear from Triumph badges as they are very difficult to farm without raiding. (this list is meant to be achieveable before the Icecrown atleast lol) Also take note that while I list the badge cost of the gems and Orbs they are attainable with gold alone.

GOAL: TO BE ABLE TO TANK 25MAN T8 HARDMODES WITHOUT RAIDING 25MANS
*All gems for the gear listed I've put in brackets next to the name.

Conquest badge gear:

Conqueror's Nightsong Headguard (Austere meta,shifting) = 58 badges
Conqueror's Nightsong Raiments (shifting, solid) = 58 badges
Idol of the Corruptor = 19 badges
Shard of the Crystal Forest = 19 badges
Gloves of the Blind Stalker = 28 badges

Valarous badges:

Platinum Mesh Cloak = 25 badges

Gear from gold:

Death-warmed Belt (solid, shifting,solid) = 6 runed orbs, etc
Footpads of Silence (solid,shifting) = 6 runed orbs, etc

Gear from heroics:

TOC:
Mark of the Relentless (solid)
Marrowstrike (solid)
The Black Heart

DTK:
Keystone Great-Ring

AN:
Essence of Gossamer

Triumph badges from daily heroic quest:
* Runetotem's Shoulderpads of Conquest (Nightmare Tear) = 30 badges of triumph 15 days of the daily heroic.

Gear required from PvP:
Titan-Forged Armwraps of Triumph = 15 WG Mark of Honor
Titan-Forged Leather Legguards of Triumph (Shifting, Solid) = 40 WG Mark of Honor

Gemming required:
5x shifting dreadstones
7x solid majestic zircon
1x nightmare tear
1x Austere earthsiege diamond

Enchants required:
1x mongoose enchant
1x 22 agi to cloak
1x 10 stats to chest
1x 20 agi to gloves
1x 40 stam to bracers
1x 22 stam to boots.
1x 10,000 honor for gladiator enchant to shoulders.
1x frosthide leg armor
1x Arcanum of the stalwart protector from argent crusade revered reputation

Total HP and avoidance and mitigation completely raid buffed:

49256.85hp
52.153% avoidance
88.745% mitigation
87.132% savage defense uptime absorbing 1733 per swing while up.
88.787% total mitigation
Damage taken vs a boss hitting for 65,000 (Heroic T8 hardmode) every 2seconds: 11.213%


Optional gear for the rich:
Darkmoon Card Greatness = 4000g+ The avoidance, extra crit and armor are amazing, and it keeps 33%+ uptimes.
Signet of winter = 750g-3000g Because it is just that good for a starter ring. Ignore the parry.



Total badges required for actual gear:
207 Conquest Badges
30 Badges of Triumph
55 WG Marks of Honor

Badges for gems and runed orbs:
216 for runed orbs
200 for gems


Wowhead Comparison link (Provided by Peaceflower):

http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=48191:46161:45509:46159:45821:45838:40722:45555:45564:47243:47216:47522:37784:37220:48976:48988;40130:40130:40130:40130:40130:40119:40119:40119:40119:40119:40119:40119:49110:41380&weights=Druid%20-%20Feral%20(Tanking);21:42:45:22:41:117:20:119:103:97:77:96:123;100:72:70:65:25:16:10:6:5:4:4:3:-100

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  • 7. Re: ...   09/26/2009 11:49:41 AM PDT
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Part 8: Q & A


Time for the Critique and any more questions you may have or want to see added.

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  • 8. Re: ...   09/26/2009 11:50:08 AM PDT
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FIRST

LOLOLOL

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  • 9. Re: ...   09/26/2009 11:58:22 AM PDT
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Fingering that sticky request button already. Time to replace that older Bear sticky with this one...

Kitties for Dummies: The Common Mistakes
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18031239854&postId=180295299127&sid=1#4

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  • 10. Re: Bear Tanking in 3.2.2 and beyond!!   09/26/2009 12:08:07 PM PDT
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Neat. I'll have to read through this when I'm done farming the BRD boss... want mount!

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  • 11. Re: Bear Tanking in 3.2.2 and beyond!!   09/26/2009 12:13:09 PM PDT
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Sticky please!

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  • 13. Re: ...   09/26/2009 12:57:03 PM PDT
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Shoulders: Honor pvp
Greater Inscription of the Gladiator - 30 Stamina and 15 resilience

can be good too

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  • 14. Re: ...   09/26/2009 01:03:21 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
Shoulders: Honor pvp
Greater Inscription of the Gladiator - 30 Stamina and 15 resilience

can be good too

good catch. I had it on my scratch notes, must have forgotten to type it in lol. It's in now

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  • 15. Re: ...   09/26/2009 01:34:38 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:

It's in now


that's what she said

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  • 16. Re: Bear Tanking in 3.2.2 and beyond!!   09/26/2009 01:35:08 PM PDT
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nice post, sticky plz
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  • 17. Re: Bear Tanking in 3.2.2 and beyond!!   09/26/2009 01:44:10 PM PDT
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nice guide grim glad to see you finally did a sticky guide

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  • 19. Re: ...   09/26/2009 01:52:52 PM PDT
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Sticky!
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