I"m well aware of the scathing flames I'm going to get on this, but I'm being serious.

* Ardent Defender Nerf - I understand this and even support it, this is fine.
* Touched by the Light nerf - I understand this one as well, it's also fine.

* Judgements of the Just Nerf - The reduction in cooldown to Hammer of Justice provided by this talent has been reduced to 5/10 seconds instead of 10/20 seconds.

This one has been giving me nothing but problems. Sure I get the fact that people were complaining about the stun duration but let's take a look at it, realy.

PALADIN - PRE NERF.
1st rotation = 6 sec stun + 3 sec stun , followed by 11 second CD
2nd rotation = 6 sec stun + 4 sec CD + 3 second Stun + 8 second CD

PALADIN - POST NERF
1st rotation - 6 second stun + 3 sec stun followed by 21 second CD
2nd rotation - 6 second stun + 3 sec stun followed by 21 second CD

Yeah, we now have an EXTREMELY long 21 seconds between stuns, that's more then a 100% increase in CD space, which is just huge in arena. literally game loosing huge. Why? Because in arenas a major factor is CC. A good druid will chain cyclone the , a good mage will Chain polymorph


Let's see how we compare to a Druid.

Druid - 6 sec cyclone+ 3 sec cyclone+ 1.5 sec cyclone, followed by 10 second CD (for diminishing returns to reset). THIS IS EQUAL OR BETTER TO PALLY STUNS PRE-NERF, and druids with HOTS and various instants are much less suceppable to CC then a prot pally.

Now with an eternity 21 second CD between stuns I'm stuck in cyclones, fears, polymorphs exponentially more then before the patch.

Now I'm not nessisarily asking for a return to a 20 second HoJ but a 25 second HoJ Would at least get us off the same CD rotation as Avenger's shield. Change the talent to 7/15 seconds off the CD

Alright folks, feel free to flame on, Blizz it would be nice if you took a moment to consider my request.

Cyclone is casted, HoJ is not. The two cannot be compared as you have done above.

cycloned targets cant be killed

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When you compared it to druids you forgot to add the GCD for shifting forms and the casting time cyclone.

Not bashing you, just saying.

You guys are asking for buffs? after all the nerfs that been dish out to classes that did not even deserve them?

You $15 dollars must have more value then mine.

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You guys are asking for buffs? after all the nerfs that been dish out to classes that did not even deserve them?

You $15 dollars must have more value then mine.

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This from a DK?

Yes I understand a cycloned target can't be killed. But in essentially 2v1 their partner sure can, and quick. Of course almost every class has talents to reduce stun duration there are none to reduce a cyclone.

I'm not saying the talents are (or should be identical) and I'm not even asking to back to the same CC CD as a druid. I'm asking for a 5 extra second reduction so two spells don't share the same cooldown.

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This from a DK?

Yes I understand a cycloned target can't be killed. But in essentially 2v1 their partner sure can, and quick. Of course almost every class has talents to reduce stun duration there are none to reduce a cyclone.

I'm not saying the talents are (or should be identical) and I'm not even asking to back to the same CC CD as a druid. I'm asking for a 5 extra second reduction so two spells don't share the same cooldown.

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Asking for a buff turns you into a frog..keep doing it verpowered pallytard.

at least it's only a 10sec nerf, DKs have their 3 sec stun from 30sec cd to1min now.

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I"m well aware of the scathing flames I'm going to get on this, but I'm being serious.

* Ardent Defender Nerf - I understand this and even support it, this is fine.
* Touched by the Light nerf - I understand this one as well, it's also fine.

* Judgements of the Just Nerf - The reduction in cooldown to Hammer of Justice provided by this talent has been reduced to 5/10 seconds instead of 10/20 seconds.

This one has been giving me nothing but problems. Sure I get the fact that people were complaining about the stun duration but let's take a look at it, realy.

PALADIN - PRE NERF.
1st rotation = 6 sec stun + 3 sec stun , followed by 11 second CD
2nd rotation = 6 sec stun + 4 sec CD + 3 second Stun + 8 second CD

PALADIN - POST NERF
1st rotation - 6 second stun + 3 sec stun followed by 21 second CD
2nd rotation - 6 second stun + 3 sec stun followed by 21 second CD

Yeah, we now have an EXTREMELY long 21 seconds between stuns, that's more then a 100% increase in CD space, which is just huge in arena. literally game loosing huge. Why? Because in arenas a major factor is CC. A good druid will chain cyclone the , a good mage will Chain polymorph


Let's see how we compare to a Druid.

Druid - 6 sec cyclone+ 3 sec cyclone+ 1.5 sec cyclone, followed by 10 second CD (for diminishing returns to reset). THIS IS EQUAL OR BETTER TO PALLY STUNS PRE-NERF, and druids with HOTS and various instants are much less suceppable to CC then a prot pally.

Now with an eternity 21 second CD between stuns I'm stuck in cyclones, fears, polymorphs exponentially more then before the patch.

Now I'm not nessisarily asking for a return to a 20 second HoJ but a 25 second HoJ Would at least get us off the same CD rotation as Avenger's shield. Change the talent to 7/15 seconds off the CD

Alright folks, feel free to flame on, Blizz it would be nice if you took a moment to consider my request.

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DR takes about 17 seconds to reset, not 10 seconds.

(It's supposed to be 15 seconds, but it's not actually, it's well known that it's really around 17-18 seconds)

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Yes, but their partner can. That's the whole point. Paladins definitely get the short end of the stick when it comes to CC in the arenas.

Cyclone has to be one of the most god awful OP spells ever created as far as Arenas are concerned. The worst part is they gave it to druids which were already the strongest arena healers.

That being said, If there was one thing I would have them fix about arena's it's drinking. Shouldn't even be allowed period.

Sure, but shorten Concussion blow's cooldown by 10 seconds.

My bigger beef with HoJ is that I'm having trouble interrupting in PvE. It's very hard to ask PuG DPS to interrupt.

I don't understand why HoJ is our interrupt too. I'd be fine if they increased the cooldown on HoJ while giving us a short cooldown interrupt (which requires shields).

Ah, WOTLK.

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I"m well aware of the scathing flames I'm going to get on this, but I'm being serious.

* Ardent Defender Nerf - I understand this and even support it, this is fine.
* Touched by the Light nerf - I understand this one as well, it's also fine.

* Judgements of the Just Nerf - The reduction in cooldown to Hammer of Justice provided by this talent has been reduced to 5/10 seconds instead of 10/20 seconds.

This one has been giving me nothing but problems. Sure I get the fact that people were complaining about the stun duration but let's take a look at it, realy.

PALADIN - PRE NERF.
1st rotation = 6 sec stun + 3 sec stun , followed by 11 second CD
2nd rotation = 6 sec stun + 4 sec CD + 3 second Stun + 8 second CD

PALADIN - POST NERF
1st rotation - 6 second stun + 3 sec stun followed by 21 second CD
2nd rotation - 6 second stun + 3 sec stun followed by 21 second CD

Yeah, we now have an EXTREMELY long 21 seconds between stuns, that's more then a 100% increase in CD space, which is just huge in arena. literally game loosing huge. Why? Because in arenas a major factor is CC. A good druid will chain cyclone the , a good mage will Chain polymorph


Let's see how we compare to a Druid.

Druid - 6 sec cyclone+ 3 sec cyclone+ 1.5 sec cyclone, followed by 10 second CD (for diminishing returns to reset). THIS IS EQUAL OR BETTER TO PALLY STUNS PRE-NERF, and druids with HOTS and various instants are much less suceppable to CC then a prot pally.

Now with an eternity 21 second CD between stuns I'm stuck in cyclones, fears, polymorphs exponentially more then before the patch.

Now I'm not nessisarily asking for a return to a 20 second HoJ but a 25 second HoJ Would at least get us off the same CD rotation as Avenger's shield. Change the talent to 7/15 seconds off the CD

Alright folks, feel free to flame on, Blizz it would be nice if you took a moment to consider my request.

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^ reflects his skills and knowlege of the game

2v2
Rating: 1787 warrior pally LOL
3v3
Rating: 1220 cleave
5v5
Rating: 329


LOL put a 3 second cast on Hoj then and make it make the target immune to DMG and sure i would love for you to freely cast Hoj any more great idea's ?

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^ reflects his skills and knowlege of the game

2v2
Rating: 1787 warrior pally LOL
3v3
Rating: 1220 cleave
5v5
Rating: 329


LOL put a 3 second cast on Hoj then and make it make the target immune to DMG and sure i would love for you to freely cast Hoj any more great idea's ?

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Yep sitting around the top 10% in 2's I must be an idot. Fortunatly 9/10 people are bigger idots then my (by your measure)

If you'd take a harder look at the 2 teams you'll see I'm not active in them. I fill in for a few games when friends are short for points. If you had any friends you'd know what that's about.

Anyway, if I suck so bad then give me back 5 seconds of stun CD. You shoudln't care because you'll beat me 2v1 anyway right?

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Cyclone is casted, HoJ is not. The two cannot be compared as you have done above.

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Grounding Totem:

Paladin's only offense becomes non-existant.

Druid gets one immune message while spamming clone.

Priests mana burn gets immuned once while spamming it

ETC