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Don't give us this 'we dps real well so vanish doesn't really need to work'. Vanish is a huge part of Rogues, you can't just pass it off as something that isn't really an issue.

Just today I was in Arathi getting the Honor for some Relentless off pieces and I was Mortal Strike'd out of stealth. Yes, the Warrior saw me use vanish so he MS'd and got me out.

Secondly this Mage saw me use Vanish so he popped slow, and boom. I'm out.

Not to mention every single time I vanish with Melee, I get hit out by auto attack. This is REDICULOUS. You would NEVER let Paladin's Bubble have this drawback. You would NEVER let Mages Ice Block have this drawback. You would NEVER let this happen. But I guess because Rogues are dpsing well in ToC, we don't need Vanish.

Fascinating logic, Ghostcrawler. First time I've ever seen you say something incredibly stupid. I've usually agreed with you about Rogues needing toning, but this is rediculous.

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Don't vanish while ppl are shooting u, that is all.

and BTW 2% of the time doesn't = ZOMFG VANISH NEVER WORKS

gouge first, then vanish; baddie.

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I notice a lot of rogues who are focusing the hunter on my 3s team often try to vanish while I am tossing shreds their way. And these are very often RMP teams with 2200 MMR. Honestly, do they really expect that to work, especially given that if I am in melee range of them, they probably already have bleeds up too?

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they are probably doing it for the snare break to stay on him, the semi target drop, OR to keep up overkill. OR for more openers. there are tons of reasons to vanish with dots+ bleeds up while attacking. now when trying to get away, vanishing while dotted and bleeded is dumb.

Ive CS a rogue out of vanish in a duel, also judgement.

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We have a change for Vanish in place for 3.3. You will get to try it out soon (tm). As promised, if it proves a significant buff to rogues, we may have to compensate elsewhere. Just because it hasn't worked as intended doesn't mean it will be balanced when it does.

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Cheap Shot or Kidney Shot. Choose your poison.

oh

lawd

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Cheap Shot or Kidney Shot. Choose your poison.

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or CoS would be a nice place to start...

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or CoS would be a nice place to start...

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Bad mage.

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Q u o t e:
We have a change for Vanish in place for 3.3. You will get to try it out soon (tm). As promised, if it proves a significant buff to rogues, we may have to compensate elsewhere. Just because it hasn't worked as intended doesn't mean it will be balanced when it does.

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Thank you for this info. My rogue looks forward to having an ability that actually functions, and my other classes look forward to a compensatory nerf in other areas ;-)

Any word on the pet bar for Feral Spirits (still terribly buggy), or *any* input regarding enhancement in pvp in general? Even something as simple as "We have some ideas we're considering testing in the 3.3 PTR" would be gold.

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Q u o t e:
We have a change for Vanish in place for 3.3. You will get to try it out soon (tm). As promised, if it proves a significant buff to rogues, we may have to compensate elsewhere. Just because it hasn't worked as intended doesn't mean it will be balanced when it does.

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Ugh I have a sinking feeling I won't be able to immediately shout Rogues out of vanish anymore :<

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if it proves a significant buff to rogues

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If? As in you have no idea what your change will do?

We have rogues sitting at 2.2K+ @ 13%, that A LOT MORE than 8% level 80 population should support.

Yes, fixing vanish would be nice, but doing so should not come at a cost of making OP class even more OP.

Consider normalizing crippling poison to 50% at the same time to offset this unwarranted buff.

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Q u o t e:
We have a change for Vanish in place for 3.3. You will get to try it out soon (tm). As promised, if it proves a significant buff to rogues, we may have to compensate elsewhere. Just because it hasn't worked as intended doesn't mean it will be balanced when it does.

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5 years and 23498572349058723405987340598237590872345 threads later lol.

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Ugh I have a sinking feeling I won't be able to immediately shout Rogues out of vanish anymore :<

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Hopefully AoEs will break it out.

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or CoS would be a nice place to start...

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i wouldnt mind clos removing all debuffs being 1-2 second 90% spell resist instead of 5 secs...then the spell could be used for breaking dots and vanishing like it was indended and not to get a 5 second pally bubble made for casters

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We have a change for Vanish in place for 3.3. You will get to try it out soon (tm). As promised, if it proves a significant buff to rogues, we may have to compensate elsewhere. Just because it hasn't worked as intended doesn't mean it will be balanced when it does.

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Compensation? IMO proper compensation for fixing vanish means
-Remove Deadly Brew
-Crippling 50%
-DR shared on stuns, gouge, sap, blind
-Damage cap on stuns (30-40% max target health).
-Move prep deeper into sub
-Increase stealth detection of all players

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Compensation? IMO proper compensation for fixing vanish means
-Remove Deadly Brew
-Crippling 50%
-DR shared on stuns, gouge, sap, blind
-Damage cap on stuns (30-40% max target health).
-Move prep deeper into sub
-Increase stealth detection of all players

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You not being good agaisnt rogues is a player issue.

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Bad mage.

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bad alt, i dont pvp on this toon, rogues are more then enough potent against casters, nerfing them vs melee would be a poor idea.

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Consider normalizing crippling poison to 50% at the same time to offset this unwarranted buff.

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Only if it cant be dispelled anymore, deal?

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Compensation? IMO proper compensation for fixing vanish means
-Remove Deadly Brew
-Crippling 50%
-DR shared on stuns, gouge, sap, blind
-Damage cap on stuns (30-40% max target health).
-Move prep deeper into sub
-Increase stealth detection of all players

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This. Every other class needs compensation, not rogues.