My purpose here is not to whine in hopes of a buff or nerf like everyone else seems to enjoy doing. I have been playing this game for some time now, and have enjoyed most of it (until recently...). I would like to leave a short explanation of why and a few opinions.

Death Knights: I firmly believe that the creation of this character set in motion a domino effect that is now irreversible. Even GC himself admitted to the extensive utility and power of this class and then didn't really do much aside from blaming it on beta testers (not an acceptable answer GC) and letting the community deal with it. Giving a melee character the ability to pull its enemy towards it undermines any attempt at CC that might have been employed. I at least have the ability to blink away, I can't imagine how terrible this must be for my fellow clothies. I could go on for quite some time about this but in short; the constant dps, damage mitigation, and utility of DKs has forced the evolution of many aspects of the game (for the worse).

Healing Classes: Healing is out of control. A single unmitigated penance (no healing debuffs) can bring a target to full hp in a single cast. This is found in all healing classes (different spells but the same ability to full heal what took a dps class 15 seconds to do in 1 cast). How is this balance? Why do I have to have some form of healing debuff in order to kill something?

Burs:t Burst is a terrible terrible thing. Partly the reason healing is so out of control at the moment too. Anyone who was caught by an arcane mage, rogue, or survival hunter without any major defensive cooldowns (ice block, cos, vanish, shield wall, etc) knows exactly how fast these classes can down you if they blow major dps cooldowns. Burst undermines skill and is a crutch for gimmicky classes and players. This is also part of the reason why healing is how it is.

The Clothy/Caster Handicap: The clothy/caster handicap is what all cloth wearers and casters suffer as soon as they encounter any other high armor wearing class (mainly plate). The mechanics of this game greatly favor mobility while doing damage, which is what casters lack by a lot. LOS in arenas is used as a defensive ability, but if used by a caster against a melee is quite useless (especially if they have improved run speed). So as soon as I enter a LOS heavy arena vs melee, I am already at a disadvantage that cannot be made up for. Also, a caster must play "perfectly". Kiting someone for 12 seconds with a 2 second slip up allows for a melee class to remove at least half of your health in about 2 gcds. I have to move around and do my instant casts while the melee class has a full arsenal of mobile moves...

What Needs to be Done: I believe it's too late. Short of eliminating the dk class and reverting all major class changes (ones born from the "dk problem") and cutting healing and dps in half. I don't see how the game could be saved at this point, hence my leaving =/


My 2 C Strictly opinion here, but I believe blizzard has lost all care for "development" and increasing the fun of the game. All I see are oddball changes every patch witch seem to only be there to keep stringing people along until the next expansion. This is corporate greed and ignorance. We have become dollar signs and pointless patches are the fishing line reallng everyone back in. Well I just don't enjoy this anymore at all. Already got a level 20 sorc on Aion and am LOVING it. No DKs and no stupidity. And get this! I even got a survey option today asking for my feedback on certain game mechanics! WOW! This is what it feels like to have your devs care for your opinion! I really do wish WOW could be what it once was, but thank God some other company picked up right where blizzard left off =D

Bash if you like, I will probably respond.

Put on this hard hat, will help when that big 'ol sky falls on your head.

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And get this! I even got a survey option today asking for my feedback on certain game mechanics! WOW! This is what it feels like to have your devs care for your opinion!

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What do you think you're doing right now?

*Wall of QQ crits you for over 9000, you die.*

In all honesty, blaming one class for the entire games woes is just a cop out. Yes DK's were OP as hell to start off with, but now they are pretty damn weak in comparison and this is evidenced by the low Arena representation this season. QQ for QQ sake gets you nowhere.

Welcome to about 10 months ago dude.. they are addressing everything you're talking about already..

And I wholly disagree on the DK part, if anything it showed them a new better more interesting way to tune classes.

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[quote]And get this! I even got a survey option today asking for my feedback on certain game mechanics! WOW! This is what it feels like to have your devs care for your opinion![quote]

What do you think you're doing right now?

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If you think the devs actually read this stuff and take it to heart.... wow.

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Welcome to about 10 months ago dude.. they are addressing everything you're talking about already..

And I wholly disagree on the DK part, if anything it showed them a new better more interesting way to tune classes.

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You can disagree all you want. GC admitted to it... Do a search. He blamed the DK failure on the testers.

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You can disagree all you want. GC admitted to it... Do a search. He blamed the DK failure on the testers.

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Since you're the one claiming it, why don't you provide the proof, welcome to debate 101.

And, most of your complaints are seriously from 10 months ago.. you've not paid any attention to recent changes, that shows.

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*Wall of QQ crits you for over 9000, you die.*

In all honesty, blaming one class for the entire games woes is just a cop out. Yes DK's were OP as hell to start off with, but now they are pretty damn weak in comparison and this is evidenced by the low Arena representation this season. QQ for QQ sake gets you nowhere.

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So low arena representation means your a weak class? And I didn't blame them for everything, I believe they started a domino affect that lead to this.

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If you think the devs actually read this stuff and take it to heart.... wow.

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And what makes you think just because the Aion dev's mail you a nice little check box form means they read it and take it to heart?

You're being an ass..

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Since you're the one claiming it, why don't you provide the proof, welcome to debate 101.

And, most of your complaints are seriously from 10 months ago.. you've not paid any attention to recent changes, that shows.

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3) I think this was one of those cases where we listened to the community, especially the beta participants, a little too much. Players had totally legit concerns about say the DK being too kiteable or the DK tank not having an answer for physical damage or whatever. Since we didn't have a ton of history or personal experience to fall back on and couldn't analyze a lot of data from live servers, we probably gave players the benefit of the doubt too often and added or buffed abilities when we didn't need to. More hardcore PvP and raid testing on the beta or PTR might help as well, since a lot of those concerns were born of solo experiences or pure speculation.

-GC

And once again, this was spawned from the dk. I am tlaking about the situation of the game, but people like the quoted poster keep thinking i am still thinking dk's are insanely OP. Maybe read the whole post?

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And what makes you think just because the Aion dev's mail you a nice little check box form means they read it and take it to heart?

You're being an ass..

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Calling someone as ass for saying that the devs of one game care more than the devs from another. Guess I'm an ass then. Your head dev blamed you for a game flaw... Wake up already please.

And yes I do think they care more. They will surely capitalize on the unhappy wow population.

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Healing Classes: Healing is out of control. A single unmitigated penance (no healing debuffs) can bring a target to full hp in a single cast.

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Stopped reading there.

A triple crit penance will heal for about 16k... not 28k.

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3) I think this was one of those cases where we listened to the community, especially the beta participants, a little too much. Players had totally legit concerns about say the DK being too kiteable or the DK tank not having an answer for physical damage or whatever. Since we didn't have a ton of history or personal experience to fall back on and couldn't analyze a lot of data from live servers, we probably gave players the benefit of the doubt too often and added or buffed abilities when we didn't need to. More hardcore PvP and raid testing on the beta or PTR might help as well, since a lot of those concerns were born of solo experiences or pure speculation.

-GC

And once again, this was spawned from the dk. I am tlaking about the situation of the game, but people like the quoted poster keep thinking i am still thinking dk's are insanely OP. Maybe read the whole post?

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He's not blaming the testers.

Would YOU implement every crazy suggestion that gets put on the forums? Why or why not?


(PS: You wouldn't, because most of them are idiotic. He's saying that they failed at filtering, and implemented suggestions that in retrospect were bad ideas and bad for the game.)

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just quit, no one cares why

the game is closer to balanced than most will admit, damage needs a nerf accross the board by about 10% and healing about the same

games just need to slow down and not be over in a gcd

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This is more on point. healing and dps need a 20% drop minimum.

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He's not blaming the testers.

Would YOU implement every crazy suggestion that gets put on the forums? Why or why not?


(PS: You wouldn't, because most of them are idiotic. He's saying that they failed at filtering, and implemented suggestions that in retrospect were bad ideas and bad for the game.)

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That's what they did. They didn't do any research and just went along with what the testers said. So basically they just took suggestions. So when the DK went live they got to say "not our fault, how were we to know this would happen, not like we have ever launched a new class before...The testers said to do it and we listened". No self respecting company would ever entangle the testers with what was obviously a development team disaster.

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That;s what they did. They didn't do any research and just went along with what the testers said. So basically they just took suggestions. So when the DK went live they got to say "not our fault, how were we to know this would happen, not like we have ever launched a new class before...The testers said to do it and we listened"

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Yes, they had NEVER launched a new class before.

Certainly not nine times.

Nor are they saying that it's not their fault; you can make anyone sound bad if you completely ignore what they say and make up words. For example, how can you possibly say that GC is clearly racist? That's just ignorant.

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That could destroy burst specs though.

Yes, healing is out of control. Yes, some classes do too much damage. But this whining about how DKs ruined wow and how the game is ruined beyond repair is frankly obnoxious and idiotic =/.. and a waste of everyone's time.




And now you're backing up your point by just making things up? >_>

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So you agree healing and burst is too high, but the game is fine. Do you realize the problem with these two statements?