I healed a heroic earlier, we had 2 deathknights and a mage as dps.

1st deathknight pulled 3k dps,
tank pulled 1.4k dps,
mage pulled 1.2k dps,
2nd deathknight pulled 800 dps,
My occasional dots between heals pulled ~500 dps.


Now I was always under the impression that if the tank ever out-dps's anyone it means those below him aren't pulling their own weight. I asked in tradechat what the minimum dps for heroics should be, a lot of people said "1.1-1.2k dps". I asked again in guild and I heard "2k dps minimum".


What do you feel is a reasonable minimum dps for heroics?



edit: I'm level 80, so was everyone else, not sure why forum avatar shows me as low.

Eh, I don't really care much. The heroic is going to get run. The only time I'd care about a dps minimum in a heroic is if it's causing problems or if we were attempting to do achievements, such as Volazj's Quick demise or some of the other achievements that effectively check your group's DPS.

Now, I *do* care if someone is literally afk the bulk of the run, or as I said if they cause problems (dps or attitude wise), but I don't really think of a heroic as something that requires a dps minimum.

To clarify, if I planned on running multiple heroics in a chain with the same healer, and we had pickup DPS in the group, if they were sub 1k and just terrible players (especially if their attitude wasn't good, open to advice, whatever) I'd probably pretend the run was ending after one heroic, then reform and find different people. I guess that's not very honest.

Heroics are for getting gear so yeah it's fine. Long as you have have others to help carry you, you should be ok. I've tanked heroics whith my crummy gear, so that should say something =)

Heroics were made for the average dps to pull around 1k, so I guess that's the minimum. That doesn't mean it's the most convenient, though.

meh 1000 is fine if its only 1 out of 3 are doing it, its not really a big deal.
but the elitist will say they were doing 3000 dps in greens and were running heroics.
but alas they are full of sh*t.

1.5k is reasonable in my opinion. A lot of people will say 2k or even 3k, but a solid group can do it with 1.5k or even a bit less.

Almost all the classes should be able to break at least 1k in greens even tho. My mage was pulling about 1.5k when he hit 80, and this character was probably a bit higher than that when she first hit 80.

In the end, all that matters tho is did the boss go down? If so, then you are fine.

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Q u o t e:
I healed a heroic earlier, we had 2 deathknights and a mage as dps.

1st deathknight pulled 3k dps,
tank pulled 1.4k dps,
mage pulled 1.2k dps,
2nd deathknight pulled 800 dps,
My occasional dots between heals pulled ~500 dps.


Now I was always under the impression that if the tank ever out-dps's anyone it means those below him aren't pulling their own weight. I asked in tradechat what the minimum dps for heroics should be, a lot of people said "1.1-1.2k dps". I asked again in guild and I heard "2k dps minimum".


What do you feel is a reasonable minimum dps for heroics?



edit: I'm level 80, so was everyone else, not sure why forum avatar shows me as low.

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Consider that people who say 2k minimum are probably raiders who drive through heroics for badges like they do through Burger King at 2 in the morning. People trying to upgrade from quest greens/blues to raid worthy epics can't be expected to pull that much (if they do, great). In my opinion, 1k is enough and anyone who has done the normal questing through all or most of the zones in Northrend should be getting to 1k easily.

1.3k if there is a good dps in the group which can carry them

1.7k if anything else

Anything under 1.5K dps means the person is likely not even trying or is wearing completely inappropriate gear (like spellpower gems on a DK).

1k if you can['t pull that then your doing your spec wrong

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Anything under 1.5K dps means the person is likely not even trying or is wearing completely inappropriate gear (like spellpower gems on a DK).

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Yeah this sounds like the very minimum requirement for dps to me. If a tank can pull 1.4k dps then I'd might as well just invite 4 tanks to heroics instead of "dps" classes that do even less damage.

I tanked heroic OK and the dps were all doing 800 dps and me and the healer had been carrying them basically because they died on each fight due to standing in wrong places and such.

I think minimum for a heroic should be 2k at least... if the guy is in full blues and greens I consider he just hit 80 and would expect at least 1.3k. I'm sick and tired of welfared noobs doing 1-2k that is just sad, and also scrubs in blue who just hit 80 can do more then them.

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Yeah this sounds like the very minimum requirement for dps to me. If a tank can pull 1.4k dps then I'd might as well just invite 4 tanks to heroics instead of "dps" classes that do even less damage.

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I base in on the dps I was able to do on my shaman when she was 78 and obviously not epic'd out. If at 78 in quest and instance blues she can do 1.5K then a level 80 should have no problem.

Does it really matter? Its a heroic (term used loosely). Did you finish? Awesome, thanks for coming, please come again tomorrow. There isn't a heroic instance out there besides maybe ToC 5 that can't be 3 manned in leveling/quest blues.

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Eh, I don't really care much. The heroic is going to get run. The only time I'd care about a dps minimum in a heroic is if it's causing problems or if we were attempting to do achievements, such as Volazj's Quick demise or some of the other achievements that effectively check your group's DPS.

Now, I *do* care if someone is literally afk the bulk of the run, or as I said if they cause problems (dps or attitude wise), but I don't really think of a heroic as something that requires a dps minimum.

To clarify, if I planned on running multiple heroics in a chain with the same healer, and we had pickup DPS in the group, if they were sub 1k and just terrible players (especially if their attitude wasn't good, open to advice, whatever) I'd probably pretend the run was ending after one heroic, then reform and find different people. I guess that's not very honest.

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This is the correct answer.

If i dont see your resource bar moving, you're probably not doing anything and thats worth a boot.

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Anything under 1.5K dps means the person is likely not even trying or is wearing completely inappropriate gear (like spellpower gems on a DK).

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Second that.

I've done at least 1.6, 1.7k dps on all my characters as soon as they hit 80, in all quest blues/greens. If you can't do more than that, you're doing it wrong, especially if you have any gear at all.

Don't really care. If it takes me 10 minutes longer to do the daily because the healer and I are basically duo'ing the instance /shrug. I'm not going to spend 20 minutes gear checking heroic pugs.