If you're below the tank, then you might as well have brought another tank. It's easier on the healers. That's effectively the only reason you ever want dps, is because they do more damage than tanks.

However, as they usually do gear people through Heroics, which are admittedly easy, I'm fine with 1.5k dps as a minimum. As a fresh 80 on three toons I was able to pull at least that in heroics. So if you're below 1.5k, then I know you don't know how to play your class, and that you are a bad, and therefore by carrying you I am only going to make some RL or GM's life harder in the future when this person gets to Uld25 from welfare epics and asks what threat is.

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Whatever you say, big guy.

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No, but you seem to be.

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Technically, there were people doing more than 1k at 60. I remember rogues topping out around 1.1k in old Naxx.

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That may be, but the way he said 'people' kinda implied it was more than one or two guilds with one or two classes that spiked that high once or twice.

I'm hoping he meant 70.

REASONABLE minimum? 1k DPS

What people expect? To be carried by full Heroic Triumph T9 Rogue/Warlock/Mage DPS.

here's my question:

Did you finish the run without any level of pathetic falure other than it going slightly slower than usual?

no?

then quit yer @**#%in.

Really, if the tank pulls 3k DPS you have a decent tank, not crappy DPS.


But, DPSers should be able to cap around 1.4 before starting heroics, in my opinion.

I dont care what the hell you are wearing. If you cant pull off more than 3-digit DPS, you fail. If you can't pull off more than 500 DPS, you fail on a level not yet measured by any sane person, because said measurement would drive us insane.

Boy I'm sure glad my paladin does 1,200 with autoattack alone and seal of casino.

I've had a retribution paladin to 657 DPS in a H TOC run.

In the same run, an arms warrior with a green weapon was doing around 900 DPS.

We had jousting combo: warrior, rogue, hunter.

They died and wiped us on whirlwind at least 5 times before we booted them.

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2k DPS is low for heroics. With regular TOC and the tournament around, people should be pulling 2.5-3k at the very least, or they aren't investing the time in their character to gear and learn rotations. Aka, they are looking for a ride.

My rogue pulls 4-5k in H TOC, and he only has 1 raid drop - a Naxx 10 off-hand dagger.

People that place those kinds of requirements on heroics are dumb. It's so easy mode. Just find another group and put that leader on ignore. Save yourself some hassle.

My ret paladin friend, using the level 75 axe from Amphitheater of Anguish, pulled 2000 DPS in a run of heroic UK.

If you have a level 80 weapon and can't do at least 1800, you suck.

If you've spent a week at 80 and don't have at least a level 78 blue weapon, you also suck.

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I healed a heroic earlier, we had 2 deathknights and a mage as dps.

1st deathknight pulled 3k dps,
tank pulled 1.4k dps,
mage pulled 1.2k dps,
2nd deathknight pulled 800 dps,
My occasional dots between heals pulled ~500 dps.


Now I was always under the impression that if the tank ever out-dps's anyone it means those below him aren't pulling their own weight. I asked in tradechat what the minimum dps for heroics should be, a lot of people said "1.1-1.2k dps". I asked again in guild and I heard "2k dps minimum".


What do you feel is a reasonable minimum dps for heroics?



edit: I'm level 80, so was everyone else, not sure why forum avatar shows me as low.

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7k total dps is what i want out of the group, if its 1 guy doing 6 and between the tank and 2 other guys they are pulling only 1.5, thats fine. however its rare for me to find a guy who is that good. the alst week i have had to abandon several groups for heroic toc after the first boss due to the dps simply not being able to get it done. i cant heal forever. since than, ive taken a more active interest in the gear levels of the people im pugging with, if i feel you should be in regular 5 man due to your level 135 daggers as a rogue, or *@!*ty blue 2 hander as a melee with greens all over, i jsut leave the group.

while im not overly geared by any stretch, i put my dues in to get my gear, and so should you.

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I personally think 1.5k DPS is a reasonable expectation for a smooth Heroic run, but that doesn't quite mean it's necessary. If the player is under-geared, working on an alt, or both, I think it's reasonable to excuse the weight (or lack thereof) they're pulling, provided they at least react well or know the encounters.

There was definitely a learning curve involved for me when I went from my fairly well-geared warlock who is typically in the top 5 DPS in 25-player raids, to my fresh level 80 death knight. I hadn't run any level 80 Heroics with melee before, so I was caught a little off-guard at times. It didn't take many upgrades before I was up around 2k DPS though.

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Reasonable for anything except H TOC perhaps.

1.5k is bare minimum for H TOC, and don't expect a smooth run if you have a grand total of 4500 DPS.

In fact, if you get Paletress, don't plan on beating it.

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I've had a retribution paladin to 657 DPS in a H TOC run.

In the same run, an arms warrior with a green weapon was doing around 900 DPS.

We had jousting combo: warrior, rogue, hunter.

They died and wiped us on whirlwind at least 5 times before we booted them.

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2k DPS is low for heroics. With regular TOC and the tournament around, people should be pulling 2.5-3k at the very least, or they aren't investing the time in their character to gear and learn rotations. Aka, they are looking for a ride.

My rogue pulls 4-5k in H TOC, and he only has 1 raid drop - a Naxx 10 off-hand dagger.

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There are heroics, and then there's ToC. ToC requries more DPS than regular heroics, because it's harder and designed for people who are at at least naxxramas, hence the reason it drops T7 equivelant gear. You need at least 2k dps to do ToC. It was designed to be harder than regular heroics, it is harder, and the demands are higher. If you are just stepping out of leveling and running ToC right away, you fail, unless you are somehow capable of meeting the dps/healing/tanking demands of the dungeon. then you are skill this game needs badly.

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Reasonable for anything except H TOC perhaps.

1.5k is bare minimum for H TOC, and don't expect a smooth run if you have a grand total of 4500 DPS.

In fact, if you get Paletress, don't plan on beating it.

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if you have a crap healer, maybe?
but then again, if you have a crap healer you wont make it past the first boss depending on the group comp.

I've been 80 for maybe a little over a week... and I pull over 2kdps in Heroics. Of course I started at 1600, but that was a week ago.

Seriously... How does someone do 1200 DPS as a mage?

DPS isn't quite flavor, but it's also not going to run you down if your groups DPS isn't great either. Case in point, I successfully 4-manned H VH and was also the highest dps in the group...and we managed to go from portal to portal without a hitch even once.

- edit for clarity, I was tanking that H VH run -

you could do 0 dps, dps is easy to carry in heroics

that being said I just armory everybody before I invite, most of my groups people do 2.5k+ minimum.