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  • Blackwater Raiders
  • 200. Re: COI = DR? Top Frost DK begs reconsiderat   10/04/2009 08:23:32 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:


How is COI OP when compared to other classes snares when most are undispellable as well as spammable? Sorry but COI is one of the weaker snares in the game atm compared to Rouge, Warriors, and Mages.


It's obvious.

CoI isn't OP and the person you are quoting is a moron.
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  • Scarlet Crusade
  • 201. Re: COI = DR? Top Frost DK begs reconsiderat   10/04/2009 10:30:21 PM PDT
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CoI DR is ridiculous. It's a ranged magical snare, just like Frost Shock. Just like Frost Shock, it can be dispelled however unlike Frost Shock it does not deal a decent amount of direct damage to the target.

Once upon a time Frost Shock was given a DR. It was removed. Know why? It was decided that a DR on a snare was stupid and pretty much ruined the purpose of the snare.

Despite learning this however Blizzard decided to nerf another ranged magical snare. Curse of Exhaustion (which was better at the time). They gave it a DR as well. Thankfully yet again they saw the error in their ways and reverted the change.

So now here we are with Chains of Ice. Yet another ranged magical snare lined up to receive a DR. We can only hope Blizzard will remember how much fail the idea of a DR on a ranged snare is.
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  • Firetree
  • 202. Re: COI on DR? Top Frost DK begs reconsidera   10/04/2009 10:39:29 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
apparently blizzard heard that some people were still playing dks after all the other nerfs, this is being rectified.

The difference between factions, in brief:

Alliance Quest: Bring lunch to Aunt Betty!
Horde Quest: BRING ME THE HEAD OF AUNT BETTY!
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  • Frostmane
  • 203. Re: COI on DR? Top Frost DK begs reconsidera   10/05/2009 01:29:41 AM PDT
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I promised myself I'd never use this thing again, but when I heard about the incoming chains of ice nerf, after ALL the nerfs this class has been hit in the face with, I decided to bring this old chestnut one last time.

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And that is all.

Paladin must be boss. DK is just his snare monkey.
"DK, Blood Boil this rogue. DK, silence this priest. DK, where is Desecration? BAD DK, No banana! DK, keep gargoyle up or you get replaced!"
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  • 204. Re: COI on DR? Top Frost DK begs reconsidera   10/05/2009 01:34:11 AM PDT
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translation of the OP "QQ putting a kitten on my keyboard no longer equals 100% win chance"

If people want to believe something they do not need numbers, but if they do not want to believe it you got to smack them in the crotch with the math bat
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  • Dreadmaul
  • 205. Re: COI = DR? Top Frost DK begs reconsiderat   10/05/2009 01:42:16 AM PDT
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If it wasn't spammable then DR shouldn't effect you at all.

If it was spammable it needed DR.
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  • Firetree
  • 206. Re: COI = DR? Top Frost DK begs reconsiderat   10/05/2009 02:07:07 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:
If it wasn't spammable then DR shouldn't effect you at all.

If it was spammable it needed DR.


You're aware that the OP addresses this in the original post?

No? You didn't read the original post? Why's that? Because you're just a troll? Oh, OK.

The difference between factions, in brief:

Alliance Quest: Bring lunch to Aunt Betty!
Horde Quest: BRING ME THE HEAD OF AUNT BETTY!
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  • Twisting Nether
  • 207. Re: COI = DR? Top Frost DK begs reconsiderat   10/05/2009 02:16:23 AM PDT
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maybe coi was finally put on dr cuz maybe just maybe blizz got fed up on having to balance the other 9 classes to have an ability to counter one spell.
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  • 208. Re: COI = DR? Top Frost DK begs reconsiderat   10/05/2009 02:26:29 AM PDT
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Rune of the Vanquished Hero: Your melee strikes infect your target with a plague, reducing their movement speed by 50% for 5 seconds.

Duelist/Starcaller Noxii. S5 + S6. LolDK.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Barthilas&n=Noxii
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  • 209. Re: COI = DR? Top Frost DK begs reconsiderat   10/05/2009 02:28:10 AM PDT
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I'm curious to know why the DR is being added to CoI. I'm not going to argue for whether this is a needed or unneeded change; however, I would like to know if we'll see some adjustments made to some PvE encounters (Heroic Faction Champions comes to mind) where CoI has been useful.

[ Post edited by Millinna ]

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  • Ner'zhul
  • 210. Re: COI = DR? Top Frost DK begs reconsiderat   10/05/2009 05:44:55 AM PDT
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I doubt this change will last if they don't buff DKs in another area. If not warriors and rogues will be better in almost every way.

Like seriously... whats a DK gonna do that rogues/warriors don't already do better? They have much higher damage and have MS.

[ Post edited by Bad ]

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  • Laughing Skull
  • 211. Re: COI on DR? Top Frost DK begs reconsidera   10/05/2009 07:00:32 AM PDT
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/bumping this thread

I think my time playing world of warcraft while Ghostcrawler is lead design is almost at an end. I can no longer deal with his design philosophy to nerf based on majority QQ.

http://pvpwiki.wikidot.com/keybinds
http://www.locksucks.com/2008/08/l2pvp-keybindings
http://www.sgtshatta.com/Site/Keybinds.html
(My keybinds)
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  • 212. Re: COI on DR? Top Frost DK begs reconsidera   10/05/2009 07:02:01 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:
/bumping this thread

I think my time playing world of warcraft while Ghostcrawler is lead design is almost at an end. I can no longer deal with his design philosophy to nerf based on majority QQ.


yah, pack ur stuff and leave the game for good.
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  • Frostwolf
  • 213. Re: COI on DR? Top Frost DK begs reconsidera   10/05/2009 07:17:02 AM PDT
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"I don't always drink tears, but when I do I prefer losDKs. Stay Bursty my friends."
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  • 215. Re: COI = DR? Top Frost DK begs reconsiderat   10/05/2009 07:47:54 AM PDT
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A Well thought-out and nicely constructed post, you offer valid causes for concern in a clear and concise manner.

A+

I only hope the devs actually take time to read it..

[ ] Tits
[ ] GTFO
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  • Frostwolf
  • 216. Re: COI = DR? Top Frost DK begs reconsiderat   10/05/2009 07:56:12 AM PDT
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read the OP's post and I have one thing to say.

The fact that a ranged root/snare was your main way to generate runic power easily shows how overpowered that single ability is.

That is the equivalent of warriors getting range for using hamstring, but from 30 yards.

crippling poison adding combo points to the target, frost shock returning mana, etc...


I'm sorry you feel you should have 100% melee uptime on a target, and that DG + CoI is ineffective to keep that uptime going, but there are 9 other classes and potentially some developers who disagree with you. Also leading your post with links to representation is a one way train to fail street, while being horrendous evidence for your plight.
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  • 217. Re: COI = DR? Top Frost DK begs reconsiderat   10/05/2009 08:50:33 AM PDT
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This is a PTR bug. Snares do not typically have diminishing returns.

Ghostcrawler
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  • Spirestone
  • 219. Re: COI = DR? Top Frost DK begs reconsiderat   10/05/2009 08:52:05 AM PDT
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first! Commonnnnnnnnnnnnn 60 post limit!

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