That's one heck of a PVP nerf. Duration cut by 45%.

Seems rather strange after the duration was fine at it's current length for all of BC/WOTLK....and now cut by such a huge margin.

I won't shed any tears for the change, but that's one heck of a nerf. One of the biggest PVP nerfs I can recall to any spec.

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That's one heck of a PVP nerf. Duration cut by 45%.

Seems rather strange after the duration was fine at it's current length for all of BC/WOTLK....and now cut by such a huge margin.

I won't shed any tears for the change, but that's one heck of a nerf. One of the biggest PVP nerfs I can recall to any spec.

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More proof that blizzard balances around QQ

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That's one heck of a PVP nerf. Duration cut by 45%.

Seems rather strange after the duration was fine at it's current length for all of BC/WOTLK....and now cut by such a huge margin.

I won't shed any tears for the change, but that's one heck of a nerf. One of the biggest PVP nerfs I can recall to any spec.

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Is there any compensation for PvE damage? BM is already useless for PvE as far as damage is concerned.

GC, any comments on why you are letting this go through w/o any thought to PvE?

Time it takes to nerf DKs:
Roughly 1 year.

Time it takes to nerf hunters:
About 1 week.

Not biased there at all.
Nope.

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Time it takes to nerf DKs:
Roughly 1 year.

Time it takes to nerf hunters:
About 1 week.

Not biased there at all.
Nope.

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DK's have only been around for 9 months...

Hunters are not allowed to do good in arena, this should be clear and obvious.

Shammy's too...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The spec did well in ONE tournament as part of a comp designed to counter RMP and it's getting a nerf b/c it's OP.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA













HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

YOU''VE GOT TO BE FREAKING KIDDING ME!!! WTF! Like the OP said, BW/TBW has been perfectly fine throughout BC and WOTK so far, and suddenly the duration is too much and needs to be nerfed?!?!?!?

I really can't see how the devs can say with a straight face that crying doesn't influence their decisions. Really?..NO...Really?

Finally some smart hunters/shaman/paladins got together and created a successful team, from previously laughingstock specs and suddenly it needs to be nerfed. This is un-freakingbelievable!

On the bright side, if this goes through Blizzard doesn't have to be so tentative when buffing BM hunters for pve or pvp.

The talent now increases hunter damage by 10% at all times, which is decent dps buff. Considering a good percentage of kills in arena are done after the first BW, this isn't much of a nerf.

Hey, it also means BM Kill Shots hit 10% harder. Incoming mage QQ.

It's "Bestial".

Im more pissed about how this may !*!* BM PvE even more.........

Although we'll have to wait and see if that Beast Within +10% to all damage will buff us in the end or not.

Bloody lol... and people wonder why hunters are so cynical.

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Im more pissed about how this may !*!* BM PvE even more.........

Although we'll have to wait and see if that Beast Within +10% to all damage will buff us in the end or not.

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I highly doubt it's +10% damage.. It's too much in 1 talent.

I find it ironic that 10 seconds is exactly the same duration as dismantle.

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The talent now increases hunter damage by 10% at all times, which is decent dps buff. Considering a good percentage of kills in arena are done after the first BW, this isn't much of a nerf.

Hey, it also means BM Kill Shots hit 10% harder. Incoming mage QQ.

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If this is the case, then I strike down my earlier comment regarding PvE compensation.

However GC, it begs the question. Why do you refuse hunters to do well in PvP? One team comp does well, and you nerf it. Yet, entire classes (death knights and ret pallies) go on for months w.o significant changes.

Pretty hilarious that they're nerfing the only comps to challenge RMP(PHD, Beastcleave) but RMP is staying the same.

Can't wait for the next MLG, 7/8 teams will be RMP and the 8th team will be a RLS that gets stomped!

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I highly doubt it's +10% damage.. It's too much in 1 talent.

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Says the rogue.

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I highly doubt it's +10% damage.. It's too much in 1 talent.

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BA-ZING

10/10

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I highly doubt it's +10% damage.. It's too much in 1 talent.

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Torment the Weak in the Arcane Tree boosts fire and arcane mage damage in PvE by about the same. It's not like it's unprecedented.


Bottom line: Beast Mastery needed a PvE buff so they buffed its damage by 10%.

How do you make that not OP for PvP? Reduce the amount of time they're immortal.

Seems fine to me if the numbers work out.

But yeah, those kill shots are gonna frickin hurt. Not looking forward to seeing more big red dinosaurs, but honestly, explosive shot spam is infinitely more annoying anyway. I can now Ice Block the entire duration of one of them and might be able to blink and run away from the second.

Sort of like Mutilate was good for years before the 30% cut, FoK was fine (by words of GC), and was cut 30%, Paladins were fine (were to be fixed with res), TG was fine for years...

Yeah, I don't think you have a leg to stand on.