Casters are going to dominate in Cataclysm because of the stamina changes, you heard it first here folks!

I think you mean healers.

Anyone that's not a war/dk/paladin gets bonus from it.

It goes from this to this:

Stam-AGI-AP -> Stam-AGI
Stam-Int-SP -> Stam-Int

Whereas war/dk/pal was already at
Stam-STR

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Casters are going to dominate in Cataclysm because of the stamina changes, you heard it first here folks!

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Good, at least it won't be melee this time.

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Anyone that's not a war/dk/paladin gets bonus from it.

It goes from this to this:

Stam-AGI-AP -> Stam-AGI
Stam-Int-SP -> Stam-Int

Whereas war/dk/pal was already at
Stam-STR

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Yes, and I'm absolutely certain that none of these changes affect the itemization points of gear at all. Nope, Blizzard would never redo how they handle itemization points to keep things balanced over something as silly as reformatting the attribute system.

They already stated that their goal is to normalize health pools so that you don't have plate having 10k more hp than everyone else in PvP.

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They already stated that their goal is to normalize health pools so that you don't have plate having 10k more hp than everyone else in PvP.

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That's a good thing, but it's only half of what needs to be done. Casters are still at a tremendous disadvantage as long as we have to stand still to do damage or use a CC ability.

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That's a good thing, but it's only half of what needs to be done. Casters are still at a tremendous disadvantage as long as we have to stand still to do damage or use a CC ability.

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Well, I think it's a good change, in that, their health pools will be close to the same as ours now, and while our armor offers us little to no mitigation against physical attacks, don't forget our spell damage ignores their armor.

After re-itemizing the gear, I think it won't matter any more if we have to stand still and cast a spell.. we won't have to turn out an extra 10-15k of damage anymore to get over their stam.

Having to wear PVP gear and a chug a stoneblood flask to down hard mode freya 25 on my mage because my HP levels in PVE gear are complete bogus was utter ridiculousness, compared to this DK who has around 7k more HP in similar quality gear.

I wonder if casters realise to get a full arsenal of instant spells that deal large damage they'd have to give up alot of their abilities to keep range, or melee will just end up getting even more. It's not as easy to balance as you think, because in reality, it's already balanced, it's just alot harder to play certain caster specs than most melee atm.

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I wonder if casters realise to get a full arsenal of instant spells that deal large damage they'd have to give up alot of their abilities to keep range, or melee will just end up getting even more. It's not as easy to balance as you think, because in reality, it's already balanced, it's just alot harder to play certain caster specs than most melee atm.

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Give up a lot of their abilities to keep range? Please illustrate and compare what casters have that can keep range more than melee.

For shadow priest, what kiting abilities do we have? Mind flay? I wouldn't call it a lot, would you?

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Give up a lot of their abilities to keep range? Please illustrate and compare what casters have that can keep range more than melee.

For shadow priest, what kiting abilities do we have? Mind flay? I wouldn't call it a lot, would you?

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I'm fairly certain you're not that dense. But if you would, for just a moment, imagine if I could CS > Mut > KS > Mut Mut Evis from 36 yards. That's what a lot of casters seem to be asking for; maybe not so much the CS/KS but the 36 yard Mutilates.

Best I could see happening would be allowing casters to cast while moving, but at walking speeds. Meaning a mage isn't just charging up a pyroblast while running full speed from me chasing him 30 yards away.

*Even that is a very dangerous thing to ask for with all the instants already in the game, or spells that snare/slow, etc. Just imagine a frost mage (wanting their "fair pve" damage) vs melee. Go ahead and say GG.

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Give up a lot of their abilities to keep range? Please illustrate and compare what casters have that can keep range more than melee.

For shadow priest, what kiting abilities do we have? Mind flay? I wouldn't call it a lot, would you?

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Clearly by "casters", he was SPECIFICALLY referring to SPriests.

Yes, because giving new races gap closers will ensure caster domination.

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Clearly by "casters", he was SPECIFICALLY referring to SPriests.

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So he was specifically referring to frost mage?

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I'm fairly certain you're not that dense. But if you would, for just a moment, imagine if I could CS > Mut > KS > Mut Mut Evis from 36 yards. That's what a lot of casters seem to be asking for; maybe not so much the CS/KS but the 36 yard Mutilates.

Best I could see happening would be allowing casters to cast while moving, but at walking speeds. Meaning a mage isn't just charging up a pyroblast while running full speed from me chasing him 30 yards away.

*Even that is a very dangerous thing to ask for with all the instants already in the game, or spells that snare/slow, etc. Just imagine a frost mage (wanting their "fair pve" damage) vs melee. Go ahead and say GG.

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36 yards or not, doesn't matter to me if I cannot get away from you. If a rogue is on caster, caster that cannot blink basically has to tank rogues.

If melee can do this right now, why shouldn't casters be able to?

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So he was specifically referring to frost mage?

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Wow, the level of dumb on these forums have reached new heights today.

Anyhow, just keep reading whatever short sighted and ignorant meaning you want to read out of whatever is said in this thread (and others), you are going to anyways.

Best of luck to you.

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Wow, the level of dumb on these forums have reached new heights today.

Anyhow, just keep reading whatever short sighted and ignorant meaning you want to read out of whatever is said in this thread (and others), you are going to anyways.

Best of luck to you.

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So illustrate me smart one what she was trying to say by "casters?" Or is it generic statement that has no factual backup.

Right now, affliction warlock and shadow priests have "instant spells" that deal large amount of damage as she suggested. But do they dominate melee? No. What made her think that to give casters more instant spells that deal damage would make casters dominate melee?

I am not sure how elemental shaman deal damage. I am sure just using shock spells will get no where.

It is not enough that casters can deal large amount of damage with instant spells.