Like the Title says : Return SL the way it was and Immolate with UA .

Reason of the immense nerf on Aff was because of 3s with Dk/ret/Lock and suposedly PVE dps that was a little too high.

With The same gear i pull more dps as destro than i used to with AFF...

3v3 problem... Well Dk's are still owning everyone , Lock bottom in representation and forced to be ''mages''. Ignoring the class defining spells : Dots.

Aff dmg is lacking imo , It was just fine before the gigantic nerf but because of some combo's it made it look nearly OP wich is wasnt. With the nerf to fear aff took a hit as well in survivability . It definatly needs the dmg back .

Revert the changes plz , I know its hard to admit you F up . But the problem really wasnt the locks , more like the epidemic of DKs /pallies . It will also give 2 viable specs to Dps with in pve , One easy rotation and a harder rotation to suit everyone's type of play.

The affliction change wasn't intended to lower damage at all. It was an attempt to simplify the rotation.

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The affliction change wasn't intended to lower damage at all. It was an attempt to simplify the rotation.

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This ^.^. I think GC even said in a post once that they felt that Affliction was reaching a point where an add-on like DoTimer became a necessity instead of a luxury.

I haven't parsed numbers at all , but many affliction locks say the change has not lowered the damage, since removing SL and Immolate from the rotation frees up a couple of GCD's which can be used to cast Shadow Bolt or Life Tap (esp. if you have the glyph). For PvE at least.

And the changes in 3.2 (increasing the crit damage done by Haunt) will help up Affliction's damage by at least a little bit, even if it's not a huge change.

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We are unlikely to revert the SL or Immolate changes. If Affliction's damage ends up being too low, we would be more likely to address it in other ways.

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EDIT: I was not being constructive

Maybe Its not affliciton's damage being low that's the problem, maybe its just that heals are too easily able to make up for a DoT's damage right now?

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We are unlikely to revert the SL or Immolate changes. If Affliction's damage ends up being too low, we would be more likely to address it in other ways.

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perhaps allowing the affliction tree to inflate shadowbolts damage a bit more would help.

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We are unlikely to revert the SL or Immolate changes. If Affliction's damage ends up being too low, we would be more likely to address it in other ways.

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How did such a poorly written result with veiled profanity warrant a dev response? Not criticizing, but this seems like the exact type of post you would never respond to.

not first=/=bad

Affliction damage in pve is fine. The changes should be reverted for pvp reasons but sadly this wont happen =(

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How did such a poorly written result with veiled profanity warrant a dev response? Not criticizing, but this seems like the exact type of post you would never respond to.

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Because (as has been stated) sometimes GC has a post he wants to make and just throws that post into the first relatively relevant thread he finds.


In this case, it appears that he wanted to reassure warlocks that he's aware of their concerns regarding affliction and point out that they're keeping an eye on it, but are unlikely to revert the exact changes made.

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How did such a poorly written result with veiled profanity warrant a dev response? Not criticizing, but this seems like the exact type of post you would never respond to.

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the same reason we don't know how many licks it takes to get to the center of a blow pop.

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the same reason we don't know how many licks it takes to get to the center of a blow pop.

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tootsie pop, dude.

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perhaps allowing the affliction tree to inflate shadowbolts damage a bit more would help.

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I REALLY hope this is sarcasm.

The last thing many affliction locks want is for more damage to come from shadowbolt.

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We are unlikely to revert the SL or Immolate changes. If Affliction's damage ends up being too low, we would be more likely to address it in other ways.

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It is low in pve and way low in arena. There were many arena logs posted before the change showing that siphon life accounted for 20% of damage done in arena. You removed this damage, removed immolate, and then gave corruption a minor buff that didn't account for that loss in arena.

Sure the minor buff helped pve, but do we need to beat the dead horse about how difficult it is to cast in pvp?

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the same reason we don't know how many licks it takes to get to the center of a blow pop.

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Ok, I laughed.

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tootsie pop, dude.

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roflmao

oh ya. well mebbe i like blow pops moar

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perhaps allowing the affliction tree to inflate shadowbolts damage a bit more would help.

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Wouldn't help in PvP, really.

In PvP Affliction needs better defenses against melee, particularly Rogues, which are about the most hard counter of counters currently existing in the game.

In PvE DoTs just need to scale with Haste.

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Wouldn't help in PvP, really.

In PvP Affliction needs better defenses against melee, particularly Rogues, which are about the most hard counter of counters currently existing in the game.

In PvE DoTs just need to scale with Haste.

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QFT

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I REALLY hope this is sarcasm.

The last thing many affliction locks want is for more damage to come from shadowbolt.

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sort of. you know that would more than likely be the area that would get a damage boost. i really don't see them putting realistically it anywhere else atm. besides if we assume they'd buff shadowbolt, when the PTR build comes around we wont go "Awww shiiii not that.." we're gonna go "Ah figured as much"

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the same reason we don't know how many licks it takes to get to the center of a blow pop.

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and here i thought GC had taken some vacation time after releasing the confirmation of the paladin nerf...

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Wouldn't help in PvP, really.

In PvP Affliction needs better defenses against melee, particularly Rogues, which are about the most hard counter of counters currently existing in the game.

In PvE DoTs just need to scale with Haste.

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i doubt they will ever allow dots to scale with haste.... honestly.