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He's not embarrassed.

In case you haven't noticed by now, he's a douche...

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GC is just he messenger.

He actually seems like a very smart and decent guy. It's just clear that this game is too complicated for the resources that are allocated to it.

ITT: Mouthbreathers desperately looking for something to be mad about.

The point he was making, if you put that quote into context, is that a buff to arcane shot needs to be deep in BM or it could run the risk of being too powerful in surv/marks builds. If you're too dense to comprehend this simple concept you probably need to write on circles of paper.

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There's a fossil trapped in a high cliff wall.

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There's a dead salmon frozen in a waterfall.

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No, he didn't. He demonstrated that he doesn't understand fundamental hunter class mechanics yet is fielding questions about the class.

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Since when was I unable to use Arcane Shot because I have points in the Survival tree?

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ITT: Mouthbreathers desperately looking for something to be mad about.

The point he was making, if you put that quote into context, is that a buff to arcane shot needs to be deep in BM or it could run the risk of being too powerful in surv/marks builds. If you're too dense to comprehend this simple concept you probably need to write on circles of paper.

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If you don't understand hunter shot priorities and/or if you haven't read the actual quote, then please don't post in these types of threads.

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But, we can’t just buff Arcane Shot (unless it is very deep in Beast Mastery) because Survival and Marks use that too.

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This suggests that Survival already uses it. We don't.

BW + Readiness was nerfed because of PvP issues. Raid viability takes a back seat, please do not even dream of BW + Readiness ever coming back, because it wont.

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Since when was I unable to use Arcane Shot because I have points in the Survival tree?

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Shot priority, if you are using arcane shot over explosive shot ... you might have issues.

I'll post this here too, so I can derail both threads at once:

There are mobs who are immune to fire damage. It is an extreme exception to the survival rotation, but it still means that arcane shot is useful, to a small extent, for survival hunters.

Have a nice day.

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BW + Readiness was nerfed because of PvP issues. Raid viability takes a back seat, please do not even dream of BW + Readiness ever coming back, because it wont.

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Actually, it was nerfed because for PvE issues. At the time, it (along with a few other now-nerfed factors) allegedly put BM Hunters over the top in raid DPS.

So, yes. I'll dream of it returning someday.

in any case, it is one option if they want to boost BM DPS in raids. It is hardly the only option out there.

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I'll post this here too, so I can derail both threads at once:

There are mobs who are immune to fire damage. It is an extreme exception to the survival rotation, but it still means that arcane shot is useful, to a small extent, for survival hunters.

Have a nice day.

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We would be so overpowered on those elementals before Vezax.

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I'll post this here too, so I can derail both threads at once:

There are mobs who are immune to fire damage. It is an extreme exception to the survival rotation, but it still means that arcane shot is useful, to a small extent, for survival hunters.

Have a nice day.

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I somehow doubt that the major design decisions facing the class involve balancing a SUR Hunter's play around soloing MC and farming fire elementals.

Nice try, though.

Listen here people. It would take a very significant buff, huge even, to buff Arcane Shot to a level where Surv hunters would use it in their shot priorities. While you could make the argument for MM, everyone already knows that, so that's not where the problem lies.

The problem is, taking the statement GC made in context, it is clear cut evidence that neither he, nor his fellow developers appear to be fully in tune with the state of Hunters, or even fully abreast of the mechanics.

Anybody that fails to see that, should go to another forum.

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Listen here people. It would take a very significant buff, huge even, to buff Arcane Shot to a level where Surv hunters would use it in their shot priorities. While you could make the argument for MM, everyone already knows that, so that's not where the problem lies.

The problem is, taking the statement GC made in context, it is clear cut evidence that neither he, nor his fellow developers appear to be fully in tune with the state of Hunters, or even fully abreast of the mechanics.

Anybody that fails to see that, should go to another forum.

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Apparently they aren't too thrilled with the whack-a-mole priority system they pushed us into, either.

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I somehow doubt that the major design decisions facing the class involve balancing a SUR Hunter's play around soloing MC and farming fire elementals.

Nice try, though.

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Yes, you're right. So why does it matter if he said that survival hunters use arcane shot?

Yet it's the first thing I see when I come to the hunter forums.

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Listen here people. It would take a very significant buff, huge even, to buff Arcane Shot to a level where Surv hunters would use it in their shot priorities. While you could make the argument for MM, everyone already knows that, so that's not where the problem lies.

The problem is, taking the statement GC made in context, it is clear cut evidence that neither he, nor his fellow developers appear to be fully in tune with the state of Hunters, or even fully abreast of the mechanics.

Anybody that fails to see that, should go to another forum.

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The statement, in context, is just him arguing that you can't buff baseline abilities to compensate one spec's damage because it throws everything out of whack. That he used Survival as an example is just a mistake, albeit a funny one. If it helps you to understand what he actually meant, substitute in "Steady Shot" for "Arcane Shot." "We can't buff Steady Shot to boost BM damage because both Surv and MM are using it also."

Sure his gaffe was funny, but the theory he was expressing behind it was sound.

MM hunters with enough Arp drop Arcane shot from their rotations when standing still because steady shot + piercing shots does more dps. As it stands arcane shot could be buffed to a point that it still wouldn't affect MM dps because with the new patch alot of new arp choices are being added in. Hunters will have more Arp then ever before and arcane shot will go down in comparison.

What GC said was horribly dissapointing and wrong. Survival will never use arcane shot in its current form. It would be interesting if arcane shot was buffed to a point where it would increase SV dps if it was used in between 2 ES's during a LNL proc.

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ITT: Mouthbreathers desperately looking for something to be mad about.

The point he was making, if you put that quote into context, is that a buff to arcane shot needs to be deep in BM or it could run the risk of being too powerful in surv/marks builds. If you're too dense to comprehend this simple concept you probably need to write on circles of paper.

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Are you even remotely aware of the degree to which arcane shot would need to be buffed in order to do equivalent damage to explosive shot? In the realm of feasibility we might see something like a .05 or perhaps even a .10 coefficient increase to improve arcane shots performance. These are changes I would like to refer to as reasonable. However, for arcane shot to begin competing with explosive shot the coefficient would need to be increase by .78 - an additional 78% of our attack power.

This is the reason people should be flabbergasted at GC's statement. There's no way they would buff arcane shot to that degree (nor should they), so the mere suggestion that applying a reasonable buff to arcane shot could jeopardize its usage, or lack thereof, as survival shows not only a poor grasp of hunter basics, but that basic arithmetic is uncomfortable for all but the finance department at blizzard right now.

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2. Regardless, while this may be one mistake today,it is far from isolated. It is part of a growing list of mistakes that demonstrate that GC is either ignorant or severly out of touch with even the most basic mechanics of the Hunter Class.

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Honestly you think it's bad for you?

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The more general one, which applies to all classes, is that we want haste to be a useful stat. Rogues, warriors, and some casters like it currently, and we need to get it there for everyone.

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Honestly. And it's not even our Q&A, if it were it'd be even worse.

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Your missing the point. Arcane shot is a core ability available to all three specializations. Because all three trees use it we can't just improve the ability for sake of beast mastery alone unless we placed it deep down the tree. That's what GC is stating.

And yes, there are plenty of survival hunters that use or have used arcane shot.

Do level 80 survival hunters use arcane shot? Probably not.

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Well I'll admit I was wrong based on this post.

However, I am surprised and seriously dismayed that hunter buffs are not coming because Blizz is afraid of the consequences it may have on leveling.