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Savagetusk

< I Sublime I >

Scilla

0. Shouldn't OP be on par with MS? 07/28/2009 06:49:08 PM PDT

This is purely speaking of DPS, ignore the healing reduction of MS. Overpower gets 20% bonus weapon damage while MS gets 10% bonus damage and the baseline damage increase, so why does Mortal Strike cost 30 rage while overpower costs 5? Overpower can still be used once every 6 seconds at least, only one second longer than MS. I'm not an expert on warriors, but doesn't it seem like mortal strike should be a lot stronger?

Explodee

Blackrock

1. Re: Shouldn't OP be on par with MS? 07/28/2009 07:23:10 PM PDT

The 30 rage MS is a legacy, it has pretty much always been 30 rage even when MS was like 220% weapon damage.

Ancient mechanics and outdated rationalizations for balance have helped make the warrior class the mess that it is today.

Bezx

< Infamous >

Dragonmaw

2. Re: Shouldn't OP be on par with MS? 07/28/2009 07:27:32 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
the healing reduction of MS

Overpower originally cost 5 rage because it could only used while blocked, parried, or dodged. Mortal strike costs 30 rage because it does damage and reduces healing by 50% and is an instant attack. Blizzard's reasoning for leaving MS damage the way it is, is because it gives a 50% healing reduction. MS gains 10% from talents and 10% from glyph.

Autocrat

< The Unforgotten >

Mannoroth

3. Re: Shouldn't OP be on par with MS? 07/28/2009 07:58:12 PM PDT

how about my revenge costing 2 rage and having a 50% chance to stun for 3s.. all the while critting for 1500 with my shoddy gear/wep.

oh, but i guess it only becomes available....... once every gcd : \

prot warriors are BEAST for leveling.

Crygil

Blizzard Poster

4. Re: Shouldn't OP be on par with MS? 07/28/2009 08:03:12 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
This is purely speaking of DPS, ignore the healing reduction of MS. Overpower gets 20% bonus weapon damage while MS gets 10% bonus damage and the baseline damage increase, so why does Mortal Strike cost 30 rage while overpower costs 5? Overpower can still be used once every 6 seconds at least, only one second longer than MS. I'm not an expert on warriors, but doesn't it seem like mortal strike should be a lot stronger?

There is a bit more to this than immediately meets the eye. First off, Overpower is a triggered ability, you do not have this ability ready for use at all times. This goes along way towards keeping the rage cost of this ability on the lower end. Mortal Strike, on the other, has a damage component as well as a percentage addition acquired through talents and glyphs. Of course, there is also the very powerful healing reduction component that increases the value of this ability. Due to the factors involved with Mortal Strike, its cost isn't disproportioned when compared to other Warrior attacks and abilities.

Autocrat

< The Unforgotten >

Mannoroth

5. Re: Shouldn't OP be on par with MS? 07/28/2009 08:14:28 PM PDT

zomg BLUE!

you're legit now

Azulean

< RavenSong >

Fenris

7. Re: Shouldn't OP be on par with MS? 07/28/2009 08:25:45 PM PDT

Good 'ol Sam. HEAR! HEAR!

Q u o t e:

Warriors have been bent over the barrel so many times it's starting to become the default "warrior stance"...of assuming the position.

Courtesy of Feandel of The Scryers

Earle

< Apocalypse Army >

Quel'dorei

8. Re: Shouldn't OP be on par with MS? 07/28/2009 08:30:53 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

There is a bit more to this than immediately meets the eye. First off, Overpower is a triggered ability, you do not have this ability ready for use at all times. This goes along way towards keeping the rage cost of this ability on the lower end. Mortal Strike, on the other, has a damage component as well as a percentage addition acquired through talents and glyphs. Of course, there is also the very powerful healing reduction component that increases the value of this ability. Due to the factors involved with Mortal Strike, its cost isn't disproportioned when compared to other Warrior attacks and abilities.

How the hell did this post get a blue to venture into our forums?

I wantz to know your secrets, OP. >.>

Q u o t e:
I collect all the tears and use them to power my battlebot. The damn thing is unbeatable.

-Raelal, about the massive amounts of QQ on the Warrior Forums.

Azulean

< RavenSong >

Fenris

9. Re: Shouldn't OP be on par with MS? 07/28/2009 08:33:48 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

How the hell did this post get a blue to venture into our forums?

I wantz to know your secrets, OP. >.>

I'm guessing because it deals with mechanics and wasn't QQing.

Q u o t e:

Warriors have been bent over the barrel so many times it's starting to become the default "warrior stance"...of assuming the position.

Courtesy of Feandel of The Scryers

Stoptrying

< DogsOfWar >

Thunderhorn

10. Re: Shouldn't OP be on par with MS? 07/28/2009 08:34:09 PM PDT

Are you lost?

Earle

< Apocalypse Army >

Quel'dorei

11. Re: Shouldn't OP be on par with MS? 07/28/2009 08:44:52 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

I'm guessing because it deals with mechanics and wasn't QQing.

Pfft... no one QQs on this forum, we're way too OP anyways with our presences and armor ignoring attacks...

...

oh wait.

Q u o t e:
I collect all the tears and use them to power my battlebot. The damn thing is unbeatable.

-Raelal, about the massive amounts of QQ on the Warrior Forums.

Crygil

Blizzard Poster

12. Re: Shouldn't OP be on par with MS? 07/28/2009 08:48:52 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

I'm guessing because it deals with mechanics and wasn't QQing.

There is something to be said for a level head when posting a mechanics question.

Earle

< Apocalypse Army >

Quel'dorei

13. Re: Shouldn't OP be on par with MS? 07/28/2009 08:51:58 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

There is something to be said for a level head when posting a mechanics question.

So you guys actually read this thread, just generally ignore it?

I understand.

If I wasn't such a sucker for thinly veiled trolling, I woulda left long ago.

Q u o t e:
I collect all the tears and use them to power my battlebot. The damn thing is unbeatable.

-Raelal, about the massive amounts of QQ on the Warrior Forums.

Taugosz

< Sad Panda >

Smolderthorn

14. Re: Shouldn't OP be on par with MS? 07/28/2009 08:54:01 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

There is something to be said for a level head when posting a mechanics question.

If we promise to remain level headed, can we expect to see more blue posts in the warrior forums?

Earle

< Apocalypse Army >

Quel'dorei

15. Re: Shouldn't OP be on par with MS? 07/28/2009 09:00:24 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

we promise to remain level headed

LAWL!

I don't think you get the point of these forums, brah...

Q u o t e:
I collect all the tears and use them to power my battlebot. The damn thing is unbeatable.

-Raelal, about the massive amounts of QQ on the Warrior Forums.

Flagrare

< Sharply Surreal >

Moonrunner

16. Re: Shouldn't OP be on par with MS? 07/28/2009 09:01:14 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

There is something to be said for a level head when posting a mechanics question.

if we 'behave' will we get buffs?

Fault denied is twice committed.
Draenei Power!

aka Nuurzhaelan

Earle

< Apocalypse Army >

Quel'dorei

17. Re: Shouldn't OP be on par with MS? 07/28/2009 09:04:04 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

if we 'behave' will we get buffs?

Coward. Begging for buffs like a dog begs for table scraps.

Tell me if it works, I'll join you if it's successful.

Q u o t e:
I collect all the tears and use them to power my battlebot. The damn thing is unbeatable.

-Raelal, about the massive amounts of QQ on the Warrior Forums.

Larcenciel

Azjol-Nerub

18. Re: Shouldn't OP be on par with MS? 07/28/2009 09:06:47 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
Shouldn't MS be on par with OP?

fixt

Cpan

< Redemption >

Eredar

19. Re: Shouldn't OP be on par with MS? 07/28/2009 09:08:13 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

There is something to be said for a level head when posting a mechanics question.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17367755522&sid=1&pageNo=1
read please

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