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  • 0. raid changes   07/21/2009 08:00:49 PM PDT
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so i heared that 25man doesnt mean the raid is heroic. is that only for the new argent tournament raids or for like naxxramas and EoE and others?
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  • 2. Re: raid changes   07/21/2009 08:07:27 PM PDT
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kk thank you
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  • 3. Re: raid changes   07/21/2009 08:07:55 PM PDT
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so i heared that 25man doesnt mean the raid is heroic. is that only for the new argent tournament raids or for like naxxramas and EoE and others?


No, this does not mean that Eye of Eternity or Naxxramas will have the same difficulty layout as the new upcoming Crusaders' Coliseum. The new format will only be applied to this particular tier of content.

This is sort of a test run for this format, so we will be watching the situation very carefully to see how the reaction to the new raid modes lean.
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  • 4. Re: raid changes   07/21/2009 08:20:19 PM PDT
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No, this does not mean that Eye of Eternity or Naxxramas will have the same difficulty layout as the new upcoming Crusaders' Coliseum. The new format will only be applied to this particular tier of content.

This is sort of a test run for this format, so we will be watching the situation very carefully to see how the reaction to the new raid modes lean.


so when will 10 man and 25 man dungeons drop the same quality loot, since they are both challenging?

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  • 5. Re: raid changes   07/21/2009 08:34:27 PM PDT
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so when will 10 man and 25 man dungeons drop the same quality loot, since they are both challenging?


My guess is that 10m hard mode will be the same ilvl as 25 normal, but 25 hard will still be higher, however im just talking out of my butt, I have no idea.
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  • 6. Re: raid changes   07/21/2009 08:38:13 PM PDT
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No, this does not mean that Eye of Eternity or Naxxramas will have the same difficulty layout as the new upcoming Crusaders' Coliseum. The new format will only be applied to this particular tier of content.

This is sort of a test run for this format, so we will be watching the situation very carefully to see how the reaction to the new raid modes lean.


To put it simply;

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  • 8. Re: raid changes   07/21/2009 08:40:39 PM PDT
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I am telling you now i am not liking this

it will be grind 10 man for 2months
grind 10man hero for 2 months
grind 25 normal for 2 months
grind 25hero for 2 months

i love to do content but making us grind the same thing 4 times will not help it will just make the content more grindy

i say go back to making content set to 10 man 25 man or 40 man without any hero junk so we get an epic feeling entering a raid not "AWW its only normal mode i am doing the easy mode of this raid i am bad"

The only people who are going to do that are the "uber leet hardcore gotta be the best at everything" crowd. If you run 25mans there is no need to run 10man.
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  • 9. Re: raid changes   07/21/2009 08:41:25 PM PDT
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No, this does not mean that Eye of Eternity or Naxxramas will have the same difficulty layout as the new upcoming Crusaders' Coliseum. The new format will only be applied to this particular tier of content.

This is sort of a test run for this format, so we will be watching the situation very carefully to see how the reaction to the new raid modes lean.


Might want to check your sources on this.

On the PTR, the old raids are now marked 10-man and 25-man instead of Normal and Heroic, which seems to be what the OP was asking about.
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  • 10. Re: raid changes   07/21/2009 08:42:00 PM PDT
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I am telling you now i am not liking this

it will be grind 10 man for 2months
grind 10man hero for 2 months
grind 25 normal for 2 months
grind 25hero for 2 months

i love to do content but making us grind the same thing 4 times will not help it will just make the content more grindy

i say go back to making content set to 10 man 25 man or 40 man without any hero junk so we get an epic feeling entering a raid not "AWW its only normal mode i am doing the easy mode of this raid i am bad"

If you don't want to do normal mode then do heroic mode. And if you do do heroic mode, you won't need to go back to normal mode and "grind it for 2 months." Do you even read what you write after you write it?

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  • 12. Re: raid changes   07/21/2009 08:43:04 PM PDT
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No you're wrong.

NO U!
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  • 14. Re: raid changes   07/21/2009 08:46:32 PM PDT
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My guess is that 10m hard mode will be the same ilvl as 25 normal, but 25 hard will still be higher, however im just talking out of my butt, I have no idea.


well idk about that...if 10m hard and 25m normal are the same loot, why do 25 man norm? its just more people to roll against...and if it is the same loot, one cannot be harder than the other. it would eliminate 25m normal.

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  • 15. Re: raid changes   07/21/2009 08:47:06 PM PDT
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1 item per progression raid is my guilds rule

5 items per month
10 items 2 months thats still not all slots

You can't blame Blizzard for your guild's crappy loot system.
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  • 16. Re: raid changes   07/21/2009 08:47:37 PM PDT
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I am telling you now i am not liking this

it will be grind 10 man for 2months
grind 10man hero for 2 months
grind 25 normal for 2 months
grind 25hero for 2 months

i love to do content but making us grind the same thing 4 times will not help it will just make the content more grindy

i say go back to making content set to 10 man 25 man or 40 man without any hero junk so we get an epic feeling entering a raid not "AWW its only normal mode i am doing the easy mode of this raid i am bad"


You're only going to need to go through each normal dungeon one time in order to enter the corresponding heroic version of that dungeon. This will happen in the natural course of play for the majority of players. It is very rare for players to simply begin playing the hardest possible content and we feel that, if it were the case that they could, it may have detrimental effects for those players. They would be, in essence, throwing themselves at a brick wall over and over again until they reached a very demoralizing point.
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  • 18. Re: raid changes   07/21/2009 08:50:04 PM PDT
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1 item per progression raid is my guilds rule

5 items per month
10 items 2 months thats still not all slots

That doesn't add up to the amount of drops that you actually get, especially if you're running more than one lockout, like say...10-man and 25-man in the same week. Or does your guild automatically shard gear after everyone that can use it gets their "1drop"?

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  • 19. Re: raid changes   07/21/2009 08:53:18 PM PDT
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well idk about that...if 10m hard and 25m normal are the same loot, why do 25 man norm? its just more people to roll against...and if it is the same loot, one cannot be harder than the other. it would eliminate 25m normal.

Well, let's think about this...currently 10-man hard modes in Ulduar drop the same item lvl gear (226) as normal modes in 25-man Ulduar. People still run 25-man Ulduar. 10-man hard modes are not the same difficulty as 25-man normal modes, they are harder. Any other bright ideas you want to share?

EDIT: And yes, it has been confirmed that 10-man heroic = 25-man normal in the Coliseum, just like in Ulduar now.

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