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That's a true statement. It doesn't apply to PvP, but some abilities work differently in PvP. Even though the OP was asking primarily from a PVP point-of-view, there have been a lot of Spriest questions on the forums lately, and I was trying to appeal to a broader audience so that the PvE priests wouldn't immediately reply with "But we were ignored."

I'd work a little harder on improving your WoW game and focus less on the "catch the dev in an apparent misstatement" game. :)

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insulting a customer, good alternative
maybe when you posted the MC response, you should of state when you were talking about PVP and PVE, instead of mutilating it into what it is now

real mature, downgrading him to fulfill your own self righteous needs,

i saw that post about "being adult"
how bout you practice what you preach, maybe you wouldn't come off as incompetent so much

Burn!

On a more serious note -- take a day off, man, bad enough people trounce you on most weekdays. :(

And for people complaining -- remember back during Classic WoW when blues literally NEVER posted? Show a little respect for a man who goes out of his way to have a dialogue with us. It's his free time, he doesn't get paid to read and reply to forum posts, where the majority of people end up just jumping down his throat for responding at all. :(

/coffee

Best use for MC is to run people off the cliff. Warning: doesn't work very well on mages and priests.

Also - MC a rogue or a DK or even a Ret and auto attack stuff - good fun.

Wow people get heated/dumbed down when posting/fishing for blues...

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Best use for MC is to run people off the cliff. Warning: doesn't work very well on mages and priests.
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Amen. My BEST memories from this game was back in Vanilla:

Riding down from the Arathi Highlands into the Wetlands and stopping on the bridge. I waited at most 2 mins. As soon as an Alliance came along I would MC them, throw them into the water below.
The best part?


I would then Mind Vision them, watch them struggle to find an exit. I would then walk away laughing. Did that once every day I played and only once. Those were the days.........

Edit: For spelling and grammar.

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That's a true statement. It doesn't apply to PvP, but some abilities work differently in PvP. Even though the OP was asking primarily from a PVP point-of-view, there have been a lot of Spriest questions on the forums lately, and I was trying to appeal to a broader audience so that the PvE priests wouldn't immediately reply with "But we were ignored."

I'd work a little harder on improving your WoW game and focus less on the "catch the dev in an apparent misstatement" game. :)

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Nobody ever mentions PvE Mind Control because of the arbitrary constraints placed on it. For example, all throughout TBC, practically no melee classes could be Mind Controlled in heroics for some crazy reason. 9/10 times your target will say "Immune". We don't CC in WoTLK. The most use MC has ever got in PvE was during Vanilla when Priests had to give raids Fire Resist buffs at the start of Blackrock Spire.

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I'd work a little harder on improving your WoW game and focus less on the "catch the dev in an apparent misstatement" game. :)

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LoL, words are mightier than the sword my friend, but if those words were swords they would be Frostmourne on steroids with the "You just got Served" enchant.

/hi-five GC!

The best thing about Chuck Norris is when he tells people L2Play, they do.

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Nobody ever mentions PvE Mind Control because of the arbitrary constraints placed on it. For example, all throughout TBC, practically no melee classes could be Mind Controlled in heroics for some crazy reason. 9/10 times your target will say "Immune". We don't CC in WoTLK. The most use MC has ever got in PvE was during Vanilla when Priests had to give raids Fire Resist buffs at the start of Blackrock Spire.

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This. Mind Control has 0 PvE usefulness now, and very little PvP usefulness. MC leaves the priest unable to do anything. The only time you use it in PvP is if you (as a priest) have nothing to do, and at the same time need the other player do nothing...or maybe just waste some mana given how easily it breaks.

It's like have a really, really cool looking tool...but there's nothing to use it on.

Suggestions For Mind Control:
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• allow the caster to use some of the abilities of a controlled player
• give the caster some sort of damage immunity since they are effectively crowd controlled themselves - have the caster disappear while mind controlling the other player/mob
• use other player as a pet...either with some generic pet abilities or with specific pet abilities depending on the class being mind controlled

More Stuff:
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• keep the range limitation for casting MC, but remove the range limitation while the player or mob is mind controlled. At least increase the range after the target is mind controlled.
• Replace Mind Control with Madness - target goes insane and just attacks anything that used to be friendly. Monsters that aren't really there attack the targetted player (this is just for environmental effect).
• Replace Mind Control with Madness - all friendlies now look like hostiles (race changes and everything), all hostiles now look like friendlies. Monsters that aren't really there attack the targetted player (this is just for environmental effect)

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Nobody ever mentions PvE Mind Control because of the arbitrary constraints placed on it. For example, all throughout TBC, practically no melee classes could be Mind Controlled in heroics for some crazy reason. 9/10 times your target will say "Immune". We don't CC in WoTLK. The most use MC has ever got in PvE was during Vanilla when Priests had to give raids Fire Resist buffs at the start of Blackrock Spire.

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The only situations MC has been useful in PvE (that I have experienced) was in Hyjal to buff the melee, Razuvious, and I do it on Thorim for the haste buff. You could argue that this is powerful because in a PvE situation you can give you raid very nice buffs, but at the same time, there you are getting no buffs for yourself and auto-attacking the boss or possible using it's one ability that is most likely on a cooldown. Its not really fun at all. Not to mention when the MC breaks due to raid damage, time, ect the mob comes running right after you.

In PvP it can be useful but its extremely situational. Sure, I can MC the other team's healer, but I have to pray that my partner doesn't get killed at the same time. MC is the only CC in the game that also CCs the caster. Just like Mind Flay is the only snare in the game that snares the caster not only just as much, but even more. I don't understand the reasoning behind this. It also has a silly cast time. If you can't LoS an MC in 3 seconds you're probably pretty bad. And if their DPS is on me, then MC can't even be cast. God forbid I take a tick of FoK while trying to MC. GG.

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It's a gimmick PvE ability and near useless Arena skill. I think GC let the cat out of the bag--the developers may have no idea how some mechanics work.

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reminds me greatly of when GC claimed the hunters Got 2 AP per Agi a while back......


makes me wonder what decisions have been made about game balance based on poor knowledge of game mechanics by those who created the game....

Interesting line of thought imo.

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We don't need comments like this in these forums. Come back when you're ready to talk about the WoW classes.

[Not tracked]

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Thank you. The real need for MC is to MC deaming posters off the forums. This is where the real value of MC lies.

What funny, is i actually thought i was missing something, since i stopped using MC in pvp a long time ago, and actually went back to retry it because i though i missed something. then, went back, reread the thread, THEN realized i misunderstood the context of GC's comment. i sat there and /facepalm.

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Nope, it doesn't exactly do that.

Purplecadet formed a good list of problem (and it didn't address everything), but it was a fantastic list in my opinion. Ghostcrawler realized Shadow Priests were desperate for answers, and he found the perfect thread to deliver them in.

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Thanks <3 I had more questions but ran out of room on my post :[. Thats why the last question doesn't have bolds ect. and just says "spriest" instead of shadow priest.

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That's not true. It got a response yesterday. It would have been silly to respond to every shadow priest thread with the same message and frankly we were more interested in getting the information out than we were in evaluating which thread "won the contest."

I think you guys place far too much emphasis on the identity of the OP and their post. From my POV, I wanted to answer some shadow priest questions since I had to be the moderation jerk in a couple of whiny threads and the official Q&A was so far away. And regardless of whether or not it got a response, all of that discussion got us to talking and we ended up making some changes.

My advice is to take my recent shadow priest posts as "shadow priests finally got some answers" and not an endorsement of a particular thread or player who asked them. It's hard enough to find time to visit the forums. I don't want to have to play the game of deciding which thread is the most worthy.

I wanted to make a spriest post. Here's a spriest thread that isn't total QQ. Boom.

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Thanks GC <3 I tryed to make it not seem like QQ. It was hard lol. :P

So is this Ghost's "Pop enrage." ?

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This. Mind Control has 0 PvE usefulness now, and very little PvP usefulness.

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Pretty sure my pet on Thorim gives the raid an amazing haste buff and also does about 8k DPS which is 2.5k more than I could do myself. Best part of it is it's not like Razuvious where you're required to MC, raids will not be called off because there isn't a player there that can MC a Warbringer when Thorim goes live.

The only thing that I don't like about this ability is situations where the priest can MC me and then run me off a cliff.

I've seen it be made a useful option as a choice of PvE "CC" even using a mob to tank another. Not just in the Instructor fight, either.

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That's a true statement. It doesn't apply to PvP, but some abilities work differently in PvP. Even though the OP was asking primarily from a PVP point-of-view, there have been a lot of Spriest questions on the forums lately, and I was trying to appeal to a broader audience so that the PvE priests wouldn't immediately reply with "But we were ignored."

I'd work a little harder on improving your WoW game and focus less on the "catch the dev in an apparent misstatement" game. :)

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So... =( no PvP MC buff in the works? QQ

W /e GC just do your best, thats all we ask.

hey um

i heard mc was a legitimate form of crowd control

amirite?