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  • 20. Re: Can someone help me find my abilities for   07/02/2009 04:10:31 PM PDT
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honestly the DP comment was far more hilarious to me.
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  • 21. Re: Can someone help me find my abilities for   07/02/2009 04:10:40 PM PDT
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yes, it is very possible to know that, and if your being payed to know stuff like that, and you don't, that's bad


He's probably too busy actually designing this game, and I highly doubt he's spent a lot of time on Mind Control in the past few months.


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Riptide isnt a healing spell.
Its a haste trinket on a 6 second c/d.
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  • 22. Re: Can someone help me find my abilities for   07/02/2009 04:11:13 PM PDT
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yes, it is very possible to know that, and if your being payed to know stuff like that, and you don't, that's bad



There is no way in hell that someone would/should know every single ability/talent/item/boss/boss mechanic
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  • 23. Re: Can someone help me find my abilities for   07/02/2009 04:11:32 PM PDT
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Oh please, give him a break. I'm sure that none of you know every detail on every spell, talent, item, boss encounter, etc. in the game.


I would think the guy in charge of developing the game that I pay to play would know how a fundamental ability works. Obviously I'm able to use other player's abilities against them. I for one am trying to BG and use this POTENT TOOL against enemy players.

So far all I have is an auto attack feature, but I'm hoping a priest can show me how to find the other player's abilities.
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  • 24. Re: Can someone help me find my abilities for   07/02/2009 04:14:33 PM PDT
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Oh please, give him a break. I'm sure that none of you know every detail on every spell, talent, item, boss encounter, etc. in the game.


But... hes the voice of Blizzard, posting things he is required by his bosses at Blizzard to post, while sitting in front of an encyclopedia of every spell, ability and/or line of code in the game.

Oh, wait... that's right, hes doing it on his own time, of his own will, and probably mostly from memory. Please note, Lead Systems Designer does not necessarily mean "designed everything himself". That word "Lead" seems to mean there is some thing, I don;t know maybe a person, or more that one person, that works ( a better word might be designs) under him.

Gasp... this understanding of an organizational hierarchy is so complicated. Next up, A witch hunt and generally being an ##%#@!% to my boss because he told me there was sugar for the coffee when the sugar is only for the tea!!!

Edit: Spelling

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  • 25. Re: Can someone help me find my abilities for   07/02/2009 04:15:52 PM PDT
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how would making it do the same thing in pvp, make it any more powerful in PVE?

that makes no sense,

Allowing the ability to do the same thing in PvP as it does in PvE would make a lot of sense, but there's probably a lot of technical jargon that would make it complicated (my guess is allowing all those abilities on limited hotbar space and talents).

The proposed change in the question would imply the Priest would be able to string along a pet and use its abilities whenever, effectively turning the Priest into a pet class, using any NPC he/she would like. I wager that's something they don't want happening.
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  • 26. Re: Can someone help me find my abilities for   07/02/2009 04:17:22 PM PDT
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Allowing the ability to do the same thing in PvP as it does in PvE would make a lot of sense, but there's probably a lot of technical jargon that would make it complicated (my guess is allowing all those abilities on limited hotbar space and talents).

The proposed change in the question would imply the Priest would be able to string along a pet and use its abilities whenever, effectively turning the Priest into a pet class, using any NPC he/she would like. I wager that's something they don't want happening.


NPC?

The question is about PVP.

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Question 17: Mind Control although this is a fun spell it isn't very useful in pvp situations because it leaves your character immobile for however long and randomly breaks. Could mind control make the controlled target your pet but movable by using the same mechanic used to place a death and decay?


We might do something like that for pets in general. Mind Control however is a really powerful ability. Not only does it prevent the target from doing anything, it also lets you use their abilities against their allies. It's going to be hard for us to remove too many downsides from the effect.

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  • 27. Re: Can someone help me find my abilities for   07/02/2009 04:19:39 PM PDT
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Stop trolling....


You know you are..

OMG GC made a mistake... LIke you never have......


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But since shadow priests are now a cross between Jesus and Dracula, he should still find love. - Malfius
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  • 28. Re: Can someone help me find my abilities for   07/02/2009 04:19:41 PM PDT
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Oh please, give him a break. I'm sure that none of you know every detail on every spell, talent, item, boss encounter, etc. in the game.


I don't get paid, and I at least try to understand the basics of classes, certainly lead systems designer should be able to.

That said, the comment itself wasn't clear as to what he was referring to, because you do get abilities in PvE...

I think you deserve a little credit, No one's ever dodged that shot of mine...But nobody gets lucky twice either!
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  • 29. Re: Can someone help me find my abilities for   07/02/2009 04:21:39 PM PDT
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I don't get paid, and I at least try to understand the basics of classes, certainly lead systems designer should be able to.

That said, the comment itself wasn't clear as to what he was referring to, because you do get abilities in PvE...


Let me throw down some water.. I want to see you walk on it.... Everyone makes mistakes... Get over it..

But since shadow priests are now a cross between Jesus and Dracula, he should still find love. - Malfius
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  • 30. Re: Can someone help me find my abilities for   07/02/2009 04:22:00 PM PDT
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NPC?

The question is about PVP.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18315571457&sid=1&pageNo=1&sid=1#7
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  • 32. Re: Can someone help me find my abilities for   07/02/2009 04:25:31 PM PDT
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yeah we should be able to use other people's abilities against them, that's what he says mind control does in response to the PVP orientated question.

so how do i do it?

You expect PR to be specific about context when they're not directly stating it? You haven't been here long, have you?
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  • 33. Re: Can someone help me find my abilities for   07/02/2009 04:30:22 PM PDT
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You expect PR to be specific about context when they're not directly stating it? You haven't been here long, have you?


did you not see the question?
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  • 34. Re: Can someone help me find my abilities for   07/02/2009 04:33:29 PM PDT
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Let me throw down some water.. I want to see you walk on it.... Everyone makes mistakes... Get over it..


You realize you're saying that to a DK, right?

I think you deserve a little credit, No one's ever dodged that shot of mine...But nobody gets lucky twice either!
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  • 35. Re: Can someone help me find my abilities for   07/02/2009 04:38:55 PM PDT
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We might do something like that for pets in general. Mind Control however is a really powerful ability. Not only does it prevent the target from doing anything, it also lets you use their abilities against their allies.It's going to be hard for us to remove too many downsides from the effect.


That's a true statement. It doesn't apply to PvP, but some abilities work differently in PvP. Even though the OP was asking primarily from a PVP point-of-view, there have been a lot of Spriest questions on the forums lately, and I was trying to appeal to a broader audience so that the PvE priests wouldn't immediately reply with "But we were ignored."

I'd work a little harder on improving your WoW game and focus less on the "catch the dev in an apparent misstatement" game. :)

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  • 36. Re: Can someone help me find my abilities for   07/02/2009 04:39:11 PM PDT
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GC: here http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/post.html?forumId=13395581&topicId=18031081898&postId=182744255906&op=3&sid=1


Q u o t e:
I want to point out that developers would probably answer questions more often if there weren't so many responses of "LOL they said this spell is good when I think it's bad!" Save the trash talking for the Arena. Insulting the people who design the game might make you feel important but it won't do much for actually convincing us to make any changes. I'm totally cool if you disagree with us on, say the value of Dispersion. Where your argument fails is going to "You disagree with us, therefore you are dumb and don't understand WoW." That's weak. Be adults if you post here.

I'm sorry my comment about MC confused people. I have to think of everything in terms of PvP and PvE and I slipped into a PvE answer on a PvP question. It is very potent CC in 5-player dungeons. I don't think it's worthless in PvP, though I admit it's situational.

We don't think Bloodlust and Replenishment are comparable. Raids were called in Karazhan for lack of a Shadow Priest. Mana is just too valuable even with content on farm. Bloodlust is fun, but rarely means the difference between success and failure unless you're really on the cutting edge of fights you can handle. Even then, one spec brought Replenishment while 3 have always brought Bloodlust. Even today, you need multiple sources of Replenishment for a 25-player raid, while more than one Bloodlust is wasted.

We'll consider a Devouring Plague a no-cooldown, limit-one implementation. I'm pretty sure it's only set up that way because it used to be a racial and those were supposed to be infrequent.

I also suspect Psychic Horror has a travel time because it was most likely cloned from Death Coil. We'll look into changing it.

We have at least one other exciting Shadow PvP change, but I'm not at liberty to discuss it yet. It's not Dispersion (which we still think is fine).

On all of these points, the designers had already discussed them and made changes accordingly based on the threads that occurred on this and other forums. We just hadn't communicated the changes yet. Releasing information in a forum thread like this is risky for reasons such as:

1) It gets buried.
2) Our forums in languages other than English get the info second-hand, while we like to release big news simultaneously.
3) Players sometimes respond like jerks, forcing us to spend effort on moderation that we otherwise wouldn't have to spend.
4) Players complain that we answered the wrong thread or the wrong questions, when really all we're doing is trying to find a suitable thread in which to address the issue.
5) Other classes feel neglected or ignored.
6) It confuses the whole policy on fishing for blues.
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  • 37. Re: Can someone help me find my abilities for   07/02/2009 04:39:30 PM PDT
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did you not see the question?

The question can be as specific as an atom. The answer will be as broad as a barn. Again, that's how it's always been, that's how it always will be.
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  • 38. Re: Can someone help me find my abilities for   07/02/2009 04:41:03 PM PDT
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I'd work a little harder on improving your WoW game and focus less on the "catch the dev in an apparent misstatement" game. :)


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  • 39. Re: Can someone help me find my abilities for   07/02/2009 04:41:23 PM PDT
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That's a true statement. It doesn't apply to PvP, but some abilities work differently in PvP. Even though the OP was asking primarily from a PVP point-of-view, there have been a lot of Spriest questions on the forums lately, and I was trying to appeal to a broader audience so that the PvE priests wouldn't immediately reply with "But we were ignored."

I'd work a little harder on improving your WoW game and focus less on the "catch the dev in an apparent misstatement" game. :)


Pwnt the OP.
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