Wait... What? Who uses Righteousness for anything? If anything, Vengeance will be more the preferred tanking seal after 3.2. I'm confused, someone please enlighten me. I didn't think anyone used Righteousness as a tanking seal, let alone the developers.

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Wait... What? Who uses Righteousness for anything? If anything, Vengeance will be more the preferred tanking seal after 3.2. I'm confused, someone please enlighten me. I didn't think anyone used Righteousness as a tanking seal, let alone the developers.

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Vengence looks like it will still be superior. The changes also forces us to use Last Laugh for threat fights. That is if I am reading the change correctly and it stays weapon damage and does not switch to weapon dps.

Isn't the change to SoV just going to mean tankadin threat goes up? Now that you're hitting for 30% weapon damage or whatever after 5 stacks, instead of the laughably small amount it hits for now.

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Isn't the change to SoV just going to mean tankadin threat goes up? Now that you're hitting for 30% weapon damage or whatever after 5 stacks, instead of the laughably small amount it hits for now.

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It's probably going to end up staying about the same with the ShoR change.

It does make the t8 2-set slightly less lolworthy tho.

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Wait... What? Who uses Righteousness for anything? If anything, Vengeance will be more the preferred tanking seal after 3.2. I'm confused, someone please enlighten me. I didn't think anyone used Righteousness as a tanking seal, let alone the developers.

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It is a tanking seal..... Not the best one, but one used for leveling prot until you get seal of vengence as an option at level 70.

SoR is the I-dual-specced-two-healing-specs-and-want-to-do-dailies seal.

People who think the SoV change makes paladins care much about weapon speed are dumb =/

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SoR is the I-dual-specced-two-healing-specs-and-want-to-do-dailies seal.

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LOL!

It's funny because it's true.

I wouldn't mind if they did something to Righteousness to make it not obsolete.

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I wouldn't mind if they did something to Righteousness to make it not obsolete.

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SoR damage = [ 30% SP + 40% AP + 50% SBV ] as holy damage

and they could add an effect where HotR attacks deal an additional damage = [ 15% SP + 20% AP + 25% SBV ] to all targets over 5s

just a thought....

if i read the patch notes right then they want SoComm to be a pvp dps seal, with SoV being the new pve dps seal.... so that leaves us SoR which is kinda crappy at the moment

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if i read the patch notes right then they want SoComm to be a pvp dps seal, with SoV being the new pve dps seal.... so that leaves us SoR which is kinda crappy at the moment

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Well tanking is standing in fron of the boss and DPSing so we'd use a DPS seal.

Until seals get a "Requires: 2H weapon" note it doesn't matter.

Is it possible that SoV might become physical instead of holy damage? That would definitely nerf its value for threat over SoR...assuming Rightousness remains holy damage.

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Well tanking is standing in fron of the boss and DPSing so we'd use a DPS seal.

Until seals get a "Requires: 2H weapon" note it doesn't matter.

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wow that is such a novel concept!

should have thought of that before!!

thanks for the enlightenment!

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SoR is the I-dual-specced-two-healing-specs-and-want-to-do-dailies seal.

People who think the SoV change makes paladins care much about weapon speed are dumb =/

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It's possible in some bizzaro world that Blizzard is trying to make Reckoning less pointless? I dunno, that's about all I can guess.

Wait... don't SoR and SoC do the same thing now O.o

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Vengence looks like it will still be superior. The changes also forces us to use Last Laugh for threat fights. That is if I am reading the change correctly and it stays weapon damage and does not switch to weapon dps.

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You're still auto attacking, so I don't see how this matters. It'll be normalized based off of dps for this reason. Faster weapons will have smaller hits but hit for more often, and there are no instant strikes that aren't already normalized.

The only way a slower weapon would come out ahead is if on HotR it uses 33% of the weapon's swing damage instead of 33% of what HotR hits for.

SoR is also the seal you use until outlands for tanking. There is tanking before level 80 you have to remember.

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I meant that we're fine with Righteousness being pretty niche. It is used in some tanking situations (say if you can't have enough time for Vengeance to stack meaningfully) and it's used while leveling up.

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Exactly, think Rockbiter weapon. No shaman uses it after level 30, but it exists to get you to windfury.

I don't mean to be rude to you GC, but from my experience and my friends Seal of Righteousness provides less threat compared to the new (3.0.1) Seal of Vengence. I personally have not seriously used SoR for damage since I leveled my paladin as holy to level 60.

I have found if you don't have enough time for vengence to stack to be meaningful the enemy is usually dead and the standard rotation is enough to hold off threat for that.

SoR for prot is a loss in threat and damage for prot paladins, I could see prot paladins specing 11 into ret just to pick up the *new* SoC for prot... which seems to be poor design because it isn't baselined for tanks that don't want to spend that many points into ret. (Reduces the flexiblity of the prot spec).