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It's not practical to be holding jousting tournaments in Icecrown.

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Maybe not. But it does show a unification against the enemy. Also shows that you aren't going to hide from them.

And I was talking more about their armor and weapons over them deciding to hold a tournament to help relations between factions.

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I know this might be a lot to ask the people that read these forums...But did you try to look at it from a somewhat realistic point of view?

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Stopped reading there. Look, if the armor in this game was meant to be realistic...then someone missed that memo a looooonnnng time ago.

Realistic: http://www.wsu.edu/~mgorg/Heraldry/img/knight_platemail.gif

WoWistic: http://static.wowhead.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/13862.jpg

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Recoloration is not much of a "difference" wouldn't you say? Sure there are minor details on the chestpieces like on the Paladin and the DK, but most players won't see them anyway.

Bring back whoever did the T2 art design, and give them whatever they want so they can keep designing nice armor.

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this ^^^^

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Hope the plate armor isn't as lame as i think it will be.. *sigh*

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mmo-champion already has the Alliance plate sets up.

I dig that they're playing up making factions look different, I do. For the most part it worked with the old honor rewards.

But Hunters and Shaman don't really wear similar looking armor, despite sharing the same class. Neither do Druids and Rogues or hell, Paladins and Deathknights.

Where can I see tier 9? Link please? :D

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Well, you are entitled to your opinion. However, I only ask that you wait until we have released all of the sets, both Horde and Alliance, before you come to a definitive judgement.

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So instead of making 10 unique sets (Paladin, Priest, Warlock, Rogue, Druid, Mage, Deathknight, Hunter, Shaman and Warrior) you are making 4 sets of gear per faction (Alliance Cloth, Leather, Mail and Plate - Horde Cloth, Leather, Mail and Plate) >_>

Why not make the 10 sets of gear like you normally do, and then just recolor THOSE to make it faction specific. Having six or seven clothies in a raid sporting the same outfit will make me very sad panda T_T

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Stopped reading there. Look, if the armor in this game was meant to be realistic...then someone missed that memo a looooonnnng time ago.

Realistic: http://www.wsu.edu/~mgorg/Heraldry/img/knight_platemail.gif

WoWistic: http://static.wowhead.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/13862.jpg

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Glad you stopped reading. It weeds out the people that don't like to read.

Like how you missed the word "Somewhat" before the word "realistic". God forbid they don't make each tier have giant shoulders etc. If they did that by now the shoulders alone would be the size of our characters.

And if you look at some of the tier gear they have up on mmo you'd see that the armor is kind of going towards a more realistic look. Especially the plate.

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I never really said a Lore stand point. I said REALISTICALLY. Realistically a militaristic group isn't going to sit around creating a hundred different designs for armor. It's far easier to use one design and make smaller adjustments to differentiate it from others.

Take a look at the various stages of Plate armor in history. It's very easy to pick out the eras they were created in. They all used the same overall designs, the differences came in the details that were added, etc.

Call it absurd if you want. That's your opinion. I don't want armor that's ugly like the stuff that came out in AQ. Do you?

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I'm honestly befuddled by how you don't see the gaps in your logic.

What you are saying makes sense as an after the fact, lore justification for why there aren't separate armor sets, but it doesn't give a real world reason for why Blizzard went with fewer unique armor sets this time. If Blizzard felt bound by realism, why did tier 6 and 7 vary so wildly from class to class?

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Where can I see tier 9? Link please? :D

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http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/tier9.html

Going to the WoW front page is very difficult >_>

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Stopped reading there. Look, if the armor in this game was meant to be realistic...then someone missed that memo a looooonnnng time ago.

Realistic: http://www.wsu.edu/~mgorg/Heraldry/img/knight_platemail.gif

WoWistic: http://static.wowhead.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/13862.jpg

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although that's very true the one argument against that would be that the better armor looks about the same but is imbued with magical properties that cause the wearer to be more powerful than normal. Hence, item stats...

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http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/tier9.html

Going to the WoW front page is very difficult >_>

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Lol, sry my bookmark is right to the forums. :P


Whats wrong with those sets?

I think they look nice.

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Like how you missed the word "Somewhat" before the word "realistic". God forbid they don't make each tier have giant shoulders etc. If they did that by now the shoulders alone would be the size of our characters.

And if you look at some of the tier gear they have up on mmo you'd see that the armor is kind of going towards a more realistic look. Especially the plate.

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Nobody is arguing against realistic armor. They could have easily created realistic looking armor, and still have significant variation from class to class.

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I know this might be a lot to ask the people that read these forums...But did you try to look at it from a somewhat realistic point of view?


The armor is from the Coliseum, etc. meaning the Argent Crusade is the group that's putting these sets together. They probably have a group that's worked on the Alliance sets and a group that worked on the Horde sets.

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Mm-hmm, the whole point is that you're supposed to, within your faction, have the appearance of matching military units. The whole point of the Coliseum is to prepare you for the assault on Icecrown; tier 9 comprises the relatively simple uniforms and armour that the Alliance-Horde forces will be wearing.

This is why these pieces (plate, mail, leather, cloth) are similar in appearance within faction, while differing substantially between factions.

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BC and Pre-BC it seemed like Blizzard dedicated some time and effort to making extraordinary unique and goodlooking gear.

Not sure why they started failing in Wrath. Other projects going on I guess. That 15 bucks feels like it's worth a little less every month.

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The only good looking paladin set in original WoW was Tier 2. Tier 1 was ok, except for the horrible shoulders and helm, Tier 2.3 and Tier 3 both looked like crap.

In BC, Tier 4 was ok at best, Tier 5 was even more horrible then Tiers 2.5 and 3, Tier 6 was pretty good except for retarded helm.

Tier 9 set for paladins looks far better then any of these sets with the exception of Tier 2.

Wow.

That's... that's pretty awful.

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I'm honestly befuddled by how you don't see the gaps in your logic.

What you are saying makes sense as an after the fact, lore justification for why there aren't separate armor sets, but it doesn't give a real world reason for why Blizzard went with fewer unique armor sets this time. If Blizzard felt bound by realism, why did tier 6 and 7 vary so wildly from class to class?

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I never said that Blizzard felt bound by Realism. The overall feel of armor in Wrath has been that the armor all looks more or less the same just different colors. Blizz said they did this to prevent the problems that came with BC in terms of the overall look of people. This tier follows that design standpoint. Ultimately the reason the armor looks the way it does is because that's what Blizzard decided it would look like. They don't really have to explain why they chose the look to us other than saying: "We wanted to."

I like the look of the armor I've seen. It's a nice change from bigger and bigger shoulders and helms, etc. Sometimes simpler looks are more effective than outlandish designs.

From the development pages, Shaman/Hunter are the same model with slight modifications. Priest/Mage/Warlock are almost the same thing with some different colors.

Kind of underwhelming :S

Those 25 man raids are going to get strange if everyone looks quite alike!

About the faction specific design. Isnt the whole idea to make things more unique? Isn't that idea kinda "dumbed" down with the fact that several classes in the same faction looking very similar? I'm all for diversity, why don't make things better with class specific AND faction specific gear?

Too much to ask? ;D