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Please, oh please tell me where exactly having an ability that removes your snares and prevents casting or channeling time lost is useful in PvE. I am extremely curious of where these talents are so important.

I can name you plenty of fights though that an extra HoT on the tank's party is always welcomed.



If your raid leader cannot form his groups to make them efficient, it's not blizzard's fault.

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Please, oh please tell me where exactly having an ability that removes your snares and prevents casting or channeling time lost is useful in PvE. I am extremely curious of where these talents are so important.

I can name you plenty of fights though that an extra HoT on the tank's party is always welcomed.



If your raid leader cannot form his groups to make them efficient, it's not blizzard's fault.

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Fyi, VE healing is pathetic and not having Imp. Sform on any fight with AoE damage will reduce your DPS.

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I want to point out that developers would probably answer questions more often if there weren't so many responses of "LOL they said this spell is good when I think it's bad!" Save the trash talking for the Arena. Insulting the people who design the game might make you feel important but it won't do much for actually convincing us to make any changes. I'm totally cool if you disagree with us on, say the value of Dispersion. Where your argument fails is going to "You disagree with us, therefore you are dumb and don't understand WoW." That's weak. Be adults if you post here.

I'm sorry my comment about MC confused people. I have to think of everything in terms of PvP and PvE and I slipped into a PvE answer on a PvP question. It is very potent CC in 5-player dungeons. I don't think it's worthless in PvP, though I admit it's situational.

We don't think Bloodlust and Replenishment are comparable. Raids were called in Karazhan for lack of a Shadow Priest. Mana is just too valuable even with content on farm. Bloodlust is fun, but rarely means the difference between success and failure unless you're really on the cutting edge of fights you can handle. Even then, one spec brought Replenishment while 3 have always brought Bloodlust. Even today, you need multiple sources of Replenishment for a 25-player raid, while more than one Bloodlust is wasted.

We'll consider a Devouring Plague a no-cooldown, limit-one implementation. I'm pretty sure it's only set up that way because it used to be a racial and those were supposed to be infrequent.

I also suspect Psychic Horror has a travel time because it was most likely cloned from Death Coil. We'll look into changing it.

We have at least one other exciting Shadow PvP change, but I'm not at liberty to discuss it yet. It's not Dispersion (which we still think is fine).

On all of these points, the designers had already discussed them and made changes accordingly based on the threads that occurred on this and other forums. We just hadn't communicated the changes yet. Releasing information in a forum thread like this is risky for reasons such as:

1) It gets buried.
2) Our forums in languages other than English get the info second-hand, while we like to release big news simultaneously.
3) Players sometimes respond like jerks, forcing us to spend effort on moderation that we otherwise wouldn't have to spend.
4) Players complain that we answered the wrong thread or the wrong questions, when really all we're doing is trying to find a suitable thread in which to address the issue.
5) Other classes feel neglected or ignored.
6) It confuses the whole policy on fishing for blues.

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I'm sorry my comment about MC confused people. I have to think of everything in terms of PvP and PvE and I slipped into a PvE answer on a PvP question. It is very potent CC in 5-player dungeons. I don't think it's worthless in PvP, though I admit it's situational.

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Where did you learn to read?

I never said I was talking about the self healing. You're the kind of priest that takes imp. SF, which is ... completely useless in PvE, unlike Imp. VE.

So, if you're doing 4k dps (if you're decent you will do more) it is 200 hps x4 = 800 hps + 1k hps on yourself. 800+1k = 1800 hps, hence 9k hp/5, and that sucks? We don't live in the same world.

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No, I'm the kind of Shadow Priest that doesn't worry about threat because my tanks are good enough to hold agro. So I go Imp SF for Thorim. I take less pushback from blizzard and I can fade out of freeze to avoid getting killed. Dont pretend you know more than everyone else.

Edit: I also have imp VE. I think you would be hard pressed to find someone who can find fault with my spec.

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I'm sorry my comment about MC confused people. I have to think of everything in terms of PvP and PvE and I slipped into a PvE answer on a PvP question. It is very potent CC in 5-player dungeons. I don't think it's worthless in PvP, though I admit it's situational.

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We'll consider a Devouring Plague a no-cooldown, limit-one implementation. I'm pretty sure it's only set up that way because it used to be a racial and those were supposed to be infrequent.

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No, I'm the kind of Shadow Priest that doesn't worry about threat because my tanks are good enough to hold agro. So I go Imp SF for Thorim. I take less pushback from blizzard and I can fade out of freeze to avoid getting killed. Dont pretend you know more than everyone else.

Edit: I also have imp VE. I think you would be hard pressed to find someone who can find fault with my spec.

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What the hell are you talking about? What does threat has to do with that?

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Would you consider making MC a 1.5 sec cast with the argument that Sheep is also CC and casting Sheep is 1.5 sec cast? Would make MC used more, i guarantee that much. And it would let spriests survive more often in pvp...possibly..



Devouring Plague is given a bonus in the Tier 8 set for shadow priests. Evolved incredibly from..what was it called... Star Shards? lol

Thank you for this consideration.

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I want to point out that developers would probably answer questions more often if there weren't so many responses of "LOL they said this spell is good when I think it's bad!" Save the trash talking for the Arena. Insulting the people who design the game might make you feel important but it won't do much for actually convincing us to make any changes. I'm totally cool if you disagree with us on, say the value of Dispersion. Where your argument fails is going to "You disagree with us, therefore you are dumb and don't understand WoW." That's weak. Be adults if you post here.

I'm sorry my comment about MC confused people. I have to think of everything in terms of PvP and PvE and I slipped into a PvE answer on a PvP question. It is very potent CC in 5-player dungeons. I don't think it's worthless in PvP, though I admit it's situational.

We don't think Bloodlust and Replenishment are comparable. Raids were called in Karazhan for lack of a Shadow Priest. Mana is just too valuable even with content on farm. Bloodlust is fun, but rarely means the difference between success and failure unless you're really on the cutting edge of fights you can handle. Even then, one spec brought Replenishment while 3 have always brought Bloodlust. Even today, you need multiple sources of Replenishment for a 25-player raid, while more than one Bloodlust is wasted.

We'll consider a Devouring Plague a no-cooldown, limit-one implementation. I'm pretty sure it's only set up that way because it used to be a racial and those were supposed to be infrequent.

I also suspect Psychic Horror has a travel time because it was most likely cloned from Death Coil. We'll look into changing it.

We have at least one other exciting Shadow PvP change, but I'm not at liberty to discuss it yet. It's not Dispersion (which we still think is fine).

On all of these points, the designers had already discussed them and made changes accordingly based on the threads that occurred on this and other forums. We just hadn't communicated the changes yet. Releasing information in a forum thread like this is risky for reasons such as:

1) It gets buried.
2) Our forums in languages other than English get the info second-hand, while we like to release big news simultaneously.
3) Players sometimes respond like jerks, forcing us to spend effort on moderation that we otherwise wouldn't have to spend.
4) Players complain that we answered the wrong thread or the wrong questions, when really all we're doing is trying to find a suitable thread in which to address the issue.
5) Other classes feel neglected or ignored.
6) It confuses the whole policy on fishing for blues.

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no IMP spirit tap?


...wow dude.. =(

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Edit: I also have imp VE. I think you would be hard pressed to find someone who can find fault with my spec.

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When you dont have to put talent points in Shadow Affinity you can put them into Imp SF and become a better raider. We are talking about talent points, and most people take Threat reduction over imp SF. You have taken imp Spirit tap which is nice if you need mana. But frankly you dont get much mana from it, so I would rather have the utility that imp SF gives, and the reduced pushback helps dps, which is what I am there for.

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Well... You don't have Imp Spirit Tap which is a dps increase even if it is minor. It still adds more dmg than VE.... >.> Just saying.

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We'll consider a Devouring Plague a no-cooldown, limit-one implementation. I'm pretty sure it's only set up that way because it used to be a racial and those were supposed to be infrequent.

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What? Seriously, L2read, nowhere I talked about Shadow affinity, nor am I specced into it. I will check after typing this to make sure I didn't make any typo ... but I don't know where you saw that.

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What? Seriously, L2read, nowhere I talked about Shadow affinity, nor am I specced into it. I will check after typing this to make sure I didn't make any typo ... but I don't know where you saw that.

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