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  • 0. Shadow Priest Q & A   07/01/2009 03:27:24 PM PDT
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Hello I would like to ask some questions regarding shadow priest (as the title says).


Question 1: What does blizzard see as shadow priest roll in pvp or pve situations?

PVE: I dont pve much but from my understanding there are aoe monsters is this the niche you intended them to fill in pve? I once saw a blue saying that they didn't want anyone filling that niche!

PVP: As you all may know Priest are the only class with TWO healing trees. Did you want our dps tree to also have a strong healing component through Vampric Embrace? I often hear shadow priest refered to as the Pre-BC caster tank, are there any intentions of turning shadows priest back into this role anytime soon?

Question 2: Was mind flay always intended to be our "filler," damage spell instead of a nuke or was it ment to be a mainly pvp spell? If it wasn't are you intending to give us a nuke? I ask because to my understanding shadow priest scale very poorly with haste which brings me to my next question.

Question 3: Does blizzard intend to make haste effect dots? As you all may know this would help with some scaling issues and I don't see why they couldn't do this, they already did it with crits!

Question 4: Does blizzard think that dispel protection is a problem for dot heavy casters? If you do what are you planning to do to fix this? If you don't why not? I understand that vampiric touch has a penalty for being removed but I just don't feel like it is strong enough or even compares to it's much stronger version unstable affliction.

Question 5: Alot of players feel as though replenishment should belong solely to shadow priest, we understand that you would like to "bring the player not the class," but honestly could you say that having a unique class/spec ability is such a bad thing?

Question 6: It takes shadow priest significantly longer to set up our damage than other classes. Would it be in your intentions to add an initial damage component to vampiric touch and make it instant cast to help alleviate some of the wait-time for damage?

Questions 7:Are you planning on implementing a snare/root for shadow priest? Shadow Priest is currently the only caster that has no snare/root abilities. These types of abilities are essential when we are not able to tank damage and wear cloth.

Question 8: Shadow priest are always triggering our global cooldown but have no way to make it shorter. Are you planning to implement maybe a talent to reduce our global cooldown?

Question 9: : As you may know shadow priest have a fair amount of mobility issues, are you planning on adding a short immunity to snares after fade is used? ( Improved Fade ofcourse.)

Question 10: Are you planning to add Body and Soul to the shadow tree?

Question 11: The fear/blind DR has severely destroyed a lot of synergy shadowpriest and rogues shared, are you planning to revert this change next season?

Question 12: Dispersion a lot of people feel the abilities strength does not merit it as a 51 point talent, are there any plans to move this to a lower tier in the shadow tree? Will there be any plans to remove the silence effect it applies in the future?

Question 13: Was the disarm on Psychic horror intended to occur after the "horror," or during? Is there any intention of removing the travel time on Psychic Horror, If not will you add an animation?

Question 14: Psychic Scream is a very powerful spell for getting attackers off of you, but there are various ways to counter it. Would it be reasonable to add a penalty for removing this spell early, maybe a 2 second stun or a snare.

Question 15: Most damage over time spells just tick with no special effect with an exception to a few.
In order to help us damage better could we get more "effects" on our damage over time spells such as ticking hard initially and damage slowly wearing off.

Question 16: From my understanding there is a cooldown on Devouring Plague to keep us from putting it on multiple targets. Couldn't you just make Devouring Plague only usable on 1 target at a time and remove the cooldown?

Question 17: Mind Control although this is a fun spell it isn't very useful in pvp situations because it leaves your character immobile for however long and randomly breaks. Could mind control make the controlled target your pet but movable by using the same mechanic used to place a death and decay?

Question 18: Are you planning on giving spriest a new 51 point talent?

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  • Kargath
  • 1. Re: Shadow Priest Q & A   07/01/2009 03:29:58 PM PDT
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Just delete this please im too fragile right now to see another blue mark besides a shadow priest thread to have it be a "Don't fish for blue posts" post from GC

Spriests can not fish for blue responses at all
but everyone else can
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  • Draenor
  • 2. Re: Shadow Priest Q & A   07/01/2009 03:31:04 PM PDT
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Incoming don't fish for Blue responses ;)

If you look on the Priest forums there should be a sticky where you can ask questions for a forthcoming class Q+A. Unfortunately posts like this either get ignored or locked.

Most classes have a fear ward, give Locks a stun ward :)
People really need to learn the difference between SPEC and CLASS.
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  • 3. Re: Shadow Priest Q & A   07/01/2009 03:44:11 PM PDT
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'don't fish for blue posts' inc

Main - Fauxy - forum banned for making fun of a fat kid.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Spirestone&n=Fauxy
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  • 4. Re: Shadow Priest Q & A   07/01/2009 04:05:42 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
Just delete this please im too fragile right now to see another blue mark besides a shadow priest thread to have it be a "Don't fish for blue posts" post from GC


nty just want some answers to questions thats all
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  • Draenor
  • 5. Re: Shadow Priest Q & A   07/01/2009 04:15:36 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:


nty just want some answers to questions thats all


Post in the Priest forums sticky then: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17730153960&sid=1

They set up that sticky so you can actually submit questions like this and hopefully get them answered. Posting in DD forums is not the way to go about this.

All you are honestly going to get with this is a "Please don't fish for Blue responses."

Most classes have a fear ward, give Locks a stun ward :)
People really need to learn the difference between SPEC and CLASS.
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  • 6. Re: Shadow Priest Q & A   07/01/2009 04:19:07 PM PDT
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I feel as if you are wasting your time.

We did the same thing with the Mage Q and A and we got ~10 answers, 7 of which were for questions we didn't ask.

It wasn't till AFTER the Q and A when we QQed a storm up did they answer (some) of our real questions.


Q u o t e:
I tried. Leveling a caster is the closest thing to jumping off a bridge all depressed, but falling upwards.


http://xkcd.com/406/
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  • 7. Re: Shadow Priest Q & A   07/01/2009 04:19:52 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
Question 12: Dispersion a lot of people feel the abilities strength does not merit it as a 51 point talent, are there any plans to move this to a lower tier in the shadow tree?

Question 18: Are you planning on giving spriest a new 51 point talent?


Couldn't you make this one question?
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  • 8. Re: Shadow Priest Q & A   07/01/2009 04:30:32 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:


Couldn't you make this one question?


If they said no to the dispersion question then that other question is there for that
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  • Kil'jaeden
  • 9. Re: Shadow Priest Q & A   07/01/2009 04:36:59 PM PDT
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you can lower the gcd with haste, just fyi.

http://us.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kil%27jaeden&n=Broes
http://us.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kil%27jaeden&n=Mokg
http://us.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Skullcrusher&n=Mokg
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  • 10. Re: Shadow Priest Q & A   07/01/2009 04:37:43 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
I feel as if you are wasting your time.

We did the same thing with the Mage Q and A and we got ~10 answers, 7 of which were for questions we didn't ask.

It wasn't till AFTER the Q and A when we QQed a storm up did they answer (some) of our real questions.


what you guys didnt want to know if you would have the future option to have pants or a skirt?!?!?!??!

/sarcasms off


i dont know how i feel towards the priest Q&A. like i already know its going to be bad, but i still am expecting a lot for some reason.


Q u o t e:
We used to call the mage the master of AoE damage, but we’ve since decided that’s not a great niche for anyone.
GC, Mage Class Q&A

you forgot the "except Spreists" at the end of it.
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  • 11. Re: Shadow Priest Q & A   07/01/2009 04:51:58 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:

i dont know how i feel towards the priest Q&A. like i already know its going to be bad, but i still am expecting a lot for some reason.



I feel the exact same why that is why i tried to make my own lol
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  • 13. Re: Shadow Priest Q & A   07/01/2009 05:31:37 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
Your fishing skill has increased to 450.

your trolling skill has been reported
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  • 14. Re: Shadow Priest Q & A   07/01/2009 05:35:48 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:

your trolling skill has been reported


OH SNAP!

OH NO HE DI-INT!

HE JUST WENT THERE!


Q u o t e:
We used to call the mage the master of AoE damage, but we’ve since decided that’s not a great niche for anyone.
GC, Mage Class Q&A

you forgot the "except Spreists" at the end of it.
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  • Frostwolf
  • 15. Re: Shadow Priest Q & A   07/01/2009 05:41:29 PM PDT
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your trolling skill has been reported


OH NO WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO ME?!!!

*runs around in circles*
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  • 16. Re: Shadow Priest Q & A   07/01/2009 05:54:22 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:


OH NO WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO ME?!!!

*runs around in circles*


I saw that same reaction to 'unstable power on xxx'

I'm a Champion of Ulduar!

Shadow till I die. Then I get a battle rez and go discipline.

Worst Priest Ever Productions
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  • Skullcrusher
  • 17. Re: Shadow Priest Q & A   07/01/2009 05:57:43 PM PDT
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Hey at least you have a Q&A
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  • Skullcrusher
  • 18. Re: Shadow Priest Q & A   07/01/2009 05:58:46 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:


OH NO WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO ME?!!!

*runs around in circles*


I lol'd hard.
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  • 19. Re: Shadow Priest Q & A   07/01/2009 06:21:48 PM PDT
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Alright. Shadow priests feel ignored. I get it. Hopefully answering this won't get used against us the way some shadow priests were using the fact that I answered some mage questions.

I'm also suspicious that mere answers will not be sufficient unless they include "so we will buff you," but we'll see. :)


Q u o t e:
Question 1: What does blizzard see as shadow priest roll in pvp or pve situations?

PVE: I dont pve much but from my understanding there are aoe monsters is this the niche you intended them to fill in pve? I once saw a blue saying that they didn't want anyone filling that niche!


You're a dps class that focuses on dots and "stealing energy" from opponents. I'll write a prettier version for the official Q&A. Shadow priests can do single target damage and now in LK can do AE damage as well.


Q u o t e:
PVP: As you all may know Priest are the only class with TWO healing trees. Did you want our dps tree to also have a strong healing component through Vampric Embrace? I often hear shadow priest refered to as the Pre-BC caster tank, are there any intentions of turning shadows priest back into this role anytime soon?


Yes on the VE part. "Caster tank" as a role is a little risky. It basically means that melee have to close the gap to finally do damage to you, yet once they do... they still have trouble hurting you. I know that makes you want to say "But melee are crushing us right now!" That might be a problem, but doesn't mean the right answer is to have non-fragile casters. You are probably tougher than mages, and still have decent escape mechanisms with Dispersion and fears.


Q u o t e:
Question 2: Was mind flay always intended to be our "filler," damage spell instead of a nuke or was it ment to be a mainly pvp spell? If it wasn't are you intending to give us a nuke? I ask because to my understanding shadow priest scale very poorly with haste which brings me to my next question.


We don't really design every caster around nukes. That's kind of a mage deal where they emphasize one main spell. We want the other casters to feel differently, to have rotations. Mind Flay is part of that.


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Question 3: Does blizzard intend to make haste effect dots? As you all may know this would help with some scaling issues and I don't see why they couldn't do this, they already did it with crits!


It's something we're talking about. Haste is a problematic stat for a number of reasons. It isn't always good for example if you don't have enough room in your rotation to fit another spell. It isn't good if you're GCD capped. Now, it's okay -- in fact preferable -- that stats aren't equal for everyone. We like that not all casters would look at say a ring with haste, crit and spirit the same way.


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Question 4: Does blizzard think that dispel protection is a problem for dot heavy casters? If you do what are you planning to do to fix this? If you don't why not? I understand that vampiric touch has a penalty for being removed but I just don't feel like it is strong enough or even compares to it's much stronger version unstable affliction.


We think the whole dispel protection game needs to be overhauled. Buffs should be valued for their buffs, not for whether or not they can protect other buffs. We need to change this whole system to something more sane. Whether or not you have a dispel, and whether or not your target is vulnerable to it has just become way too important. You are right that the VT penalty is so low as to be silly, and that's something we would like to boost for 3.2.


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Question 5: Alot of players feel as though replenishment should belong solely to shadow priest, we understand that you would like to "bring the player not the class," but honestly could you say that having a unique class/spec ability is such a bad thing?


Yes, it's a bad thing. It's good if you're a shadow priest wanting a raid slot. It's bad if you're the druid or warrior who can't come because the raid leader feels like they must bring the shadow priest in order to raid. We want the challenge to be the encounters, not the logistics of building the group.


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Question 6: It takes shadow priest significantly longer to set up our damage than other classes. Would it be in your intentions to add an initial damage component to vampiric touch and make it instant cast to help alleviate some of the wait-time for damage?


I think there is something to the set-up-your-damage issue, but at the same time, dots also have a lot of benefits over direct damage spells. We would not want any spell that Shadow priests felt like they could just cast instead of doing their rotation, and if the instant-damage spell was weaker than the rotation, it would likely see only situational use (though maybe that's a fine niche).


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