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Would you rather no blue posts? Baby steps, sir, baby steps...

Quit complaining, it doesn't hurt anything.

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I'd rather they didn't reply to what is little better than a troll. I considered this thread to be one of the stupidest things I'd ever seen on the warrior forums. It's worse than even the "Anyone have any good dual wield MS builds!!??" threads, and that's what gets a reply of all things. Now this retarded topic will actually get attention when the only replies it should have received are "ebay much?"

Look at the other class forums, blues are just responding to every class atm, showing they're doing something it seems.

Shammy, Pally, Rogue, Mage, Priests, Druids, have so far had some sort of a buff, etc released.. Even Locks, lol "The one thing I can give you for the next patch right now is that there is a change for Ritual of Souls which will significantly reduce the time to cast and complete it." No love for Hunters or Warriors.

EDIT: =o now a response, arms tanking, yay, nvm. pve warriors don't take tactical, close though.. In the meantime I am leveling my Shammy as they're going to get the most love atm.

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While arms/fury warriors aren't meant to be as good as protection warriors at tanking, we do plan to make an additional to Tactical Mastery that may help them out. This talent will grant greatly increased threat from Mortal Strike and Bloodthirst when in Defensive Stance.

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Bringin' teh awesome! This OT/DPS warrior thanks you!

edit: depending on the level of threat gain, I may actually tank a heroic now in DPS spec. Before I'd just beg off, citing the fact it'd take forever due to DPS always needing to hold back.

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While arms/fury warriors aren't meant to be as good as protection warriors at tanking, we do plan to make an additional to Tactical Mastery that may help them out. This talent will grant greatly increased threat from Mortal Strike and Bloodthirst when in Defensive Stance.

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How about a greatly reduced ammount of threat from Mortal Strike and Bloodthrist when in Berzerk or Battle Stance?

It seems to me that seems a little more important to the warrior community than an increase in threat from hybrid tank specs.

First off let me say I love my warrior.
Now then that said i dont tank much as i am a pure fury war but often find myself being asked by others "can u wear a shield and tank?"
at first i baulked to this idea and refused preferring my duel wield ( ya i know alotta warriors use 2H but i love my rage management from duel weild with a dagger as my off-hand) then 1 day said hell ill try it with out respeccing and found that i made a very effective MT.

charge+sunder+HS+Taunt+4more sunder with proper cleave/WW usage i found that i did not have a problem with holding aggro and with proper stance management and the almighty macro commands i did not need to respec.

i still duel weild most of the time ... but for some cases its worth while to pick up a board and use your skills in the proper orders.

Its like mana from heaven.


edit: Posting in a legendary thread.

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How about a greatly reduced ammount of threat from Mortal Strike and Bloodthrist when in Berzerk or Battle Stance?

It seems to me that seems a little more important to the warrior community than an increase in threat from hybrid tank specs.

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I'm sure you are right on this one Skdall, but we've never heard anything suggesting that threat isn't meant to be a limiting factor on DPS warriors. Asking for threat reductions will always be popular, but who doesn't like to be more powerful?

The proposed change to Tactical Mastery would give a huge boost to the mutt DPS/Tanking builds that are all but nonviable today. That is important and not an infringement on the balance of any other class.

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While arms/fury warriors aren't meant to be as good as protection warriors at tanking, we do plan to make an additional to Tactical Mastery that may help them out. This talent will grant greatly increased threat from Mortal Strike and Bloodthirst when in Defensive Stance.

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THIS is exactly the kind of info we need and love, thank you for updating us :D

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charge+sunder+HS+Taunt+4more sunder with proper cleave/WW usage i found that i did not have a problem with holding aggro and with proper stance management and the almighty macro commands i did not need to respec.

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Why would you need to taunt unless you weren't first on the aggro table?

Taunts the target to attack you, but has no effect if the target is already attacking you.

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Why would you need to taunt unless you weren't first on the aggro table?

Taunts the target to attack you, but has no effect if the target is already attacking you.

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Taunt will now allow the target to change targets while the effect is on.

Thus if someone is nearing you and you have specials to unload (2 Heroics, a Shield Slam, Revenge .. whatever your spec is), pre-emptive taunt to ensure that you will not have to break their +10% to pull aggro off them and you can gain freely the entire time is well worth it.

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I'm sure you are right on this one Skdall, but we've never heard anything suggesting that threat isn't meant to be a limiting factor on DPS warriors. Asking for threat reductions will always be popular, but who doesn't like to be more powerful?

The proposed change to Tactical Mastery would give a huge boost to the mutt DPS/Tanking builds that are all but nonviable today. That is important and not an infringement on the balance of any other class.

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I dunno, I OT fine in SSC/TK with my current spec and MT hydross nature phase with my spec. I dont see the 'need' for added threat in hybrid specs. However I do see the need as well as outcry for a reduction of threat in DPS specs.

With the nerf to melee this patch, and the extreme lack of survivability for a fury warrior, I do believe that there should be some way to reduce threat for us.

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Hell, often when I'm not tanking, I toss sunders up early to help the tank get to Devastates faster.

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Considering threat is the main limitation for a DPS warrior..... thats probably not such a great idea.

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I encourage our dps warriors to help me get 5 sunders on. It's a negligible difference.

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While arms/fury warriors aren't meant to be as good as protection warriors at tanking, we do plan to make an additional to Tactical Mastery that may help them out. This talent will grant greatly increased threat from Mortal Strike and Bloodthirst when in Defensive Stance.

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What about Devastate? ty.

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If you are having issues with too much threat, there are some trinkets out there that can lower your threat level. This change is meant to provide some additional tanking options for warriors who have these strong dps abilities.

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Im well aware of the trinkets and potions implemented by Blizzard. However, im also aware of their effectiveness as im sure you are as well.

The warrior outcry for a threat dump isnt case specific here. Its a class issue that nearly all dps warriors are dealing with. Its because of the fact that it is a class issue that I think it should seriously be looked at by WoW developers.

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Why would you need to taunt unless you weren't first on the aggro table?

Taunts the target to attack you, but has no effect if the target is already attacking you.

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as often i run with a few friends of mine that are a bit impatient and just wanna run in there with their pets/rogues so taunting has become a auto skill for me

On the original topic: The reason a prot warrior doesn't stack sunders in the beginning of a fight has nothing to do with slowing melee dps. It has to do with the fact that prot warriors use (or should be using) a priority sequence with their abilities that has sunder armor on the bottom. Shield slam and revenge (which should be lit up every cooldown because you're using shield block) are used when they are available, so you won't have the opportunity to say 5 sunders in a row at any time; 2 in a row at best, before another shield slam/revenge.

Maximum threat is your goal, not sundering a mob.