It seems to me that I get less MP5 after the patch.

For example, on Magtheridon fight, I usually pop Mage Armor and get Blessing of Wisdom. With my current gear (minus the head; I had Spellstrike Hood, but both have no +spirit), I usually get ~115 MP5 (while casting) for the fight.

After the patch, however, I only noticed getting ~100 MP5wc instead.

Could it be that the MP5 (while not casting) coefficient from Spirit is reduced and was not announced, or some other variable? I remembered reading something about how MP5 is capped based on total Intellect or of that sort, but wasn't sure whether that idea went live or not.


The reason I mention this is that Evocation primarily works from your MP5 stat after converting it from Spirit value.

ive done evo a couple times now.. and it still seems im getting around 1k less...

perhaps it only effects some of us?... theres been bugs like that before =/..
(like how some of your are getting a begining tick while mine isnt restoring mana till its halfway through the channel)

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I've also noticed that Onyxia is using Deep Breath more often.

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Yeah, and I think my shoulders look smaller.

"Power Regeneration: Any effect which triggers a change in your rate of power regeneration (Mana, Rage, Energy, Focus) will now cause an immediate reward of some power at the old rate of increase, and then begin new “ticks” of power at the new rate approximately 2 seconds later. This was done to improve functionality of abilities such as Evocation and Innervate so that they did not have wasted “ticks”. "


That means you should get 4 "ticks".
Start it up, and count 'em, and you'll have your answer.

i don't mean to be argumentative, but i felt like i was getting more mana back from evoc tonight...perhaps i was just more sensitive to watching that final tick actually regen some mana, but i definitely didn't get any less than before...it felt like more...

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I have no calculations, and maybe I'm making this up based on simple patch paranoia. But all I know is...I really want to believe that evocation was filling more than 1/5 of my bar yesterday. Because it certainly isn't today.

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"Power Regeneration: Any effect which triggers a change in your rate of power regeneration (Mana, Rage, Energy, Focus) will now cause an immediate reward of some power at the old rate of increase, and then begin new “ticks” of power at the new rate approximately 2 seconds later. This was done to improve functionality of abilities such as Evocation and Innervate so that they did not have wasted “ticks”. "


That means you should get 4 "ticks".
Start it up, and count 'em, and you'll have your answer.

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Got 4 ticks plus the first normal tick, could swear I got a little more than my first test or I'm seeing things. I'm tired, sleepy time.

Note: Wait for your mana to tick then cast evocation to get a mana tick immediately after. It's like free mana.

evocation is stupid now. they should have upgrated it with lvl 70 cap cause now it doesnt give crap anyways.

if they dont up it for 80 cap, im just gonna take it off my bars...

My only attempt using it yesterday appeared to give me back less mana than before. Maybe I will try it again tonight.

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sooo has anyone else noticed that your getting less mana from evocation now?...

before patch i was receiving around 4500 mana and now im only receiving 3000...?


also isnt it supposed to add mana right when you begin channeling it now?.. to avoid 'wasted ticks?'...

i havent even seen it add a tick of mana on the start yet..

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It seems that half the time the first tick is taking even longer now. It's definitely not instant like it should be now.

What's the deal?

wow .. no more switching in spirit items?

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The only change I'm aware of for Evocation in 2.2 was so you're always guaranteed four full mana ticks, as it was possible to only get three if timed correctly (incorrectly?). It's always possible a fix may affect something else, but there was certainly no intended change. I'll look into a bit further.

It may not matter for much longer though as we're changing Evocation in 2.3 to instead restore 15% of your total mana every 2 seconds, instead of being a Spirit-based mana regen increase.

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I need to change my pants.

Clarification edit: It's a good change, but if Evocation remains 8 seconds, this is only 60% mana back, which is still horrible for an 8 minute cooldown.

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evocation is stupid now. they should have upgrated it with lvl 70 cap cause now it doesnt give crap anyways.

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Evocation in BC worked like it always did. What changed is that mage gear wasn't drowning in spirit anymore, as we wanted +damage instead. Without high spirit, we got crappy evocates, but we also got the spellfire set and the like as gear options. It was a worthy trade off, IMO. I made up for it by equipping a spirit weapon, offhand and wand, throwing a spirit enchant on the weapon, and configuriing Outfitter to autoswap on evocate.

Fully raid buffed, I got a full mana bar when I used evocate last night, from 10% mana.

so....evoc now fulfills 60% mana, non spirit based?

Poasting in EPIC thread.


/win blizzard.

I can't properly say how happy I am to hear this, Drysc.

Thanks for the info. :-)