Why did this conversation derail to talk about Enhancement viability?

All that probably happened is that level 20 Shaman didn't check your level and thought you were coming to take the loot he would have gotten without competition.

I think you all missed me saying that I was on the TEST REALM when I tested ENHANCMENT efficiency vs. elemental/resto. I crit prot pallys for like 200dmg and hit regular players for about 800 with the enhancment gear offered by Blizzard. Being 69 has nothing to do with playing a 70 twinked char on the test realm. I enjoyed 40/0/21 alot more then being a enhancment spec and usually kill enhancment shaman before they notice I am on them.

And a 80% crit rate is an overstatement to the point that any 70 elemental shaman can tell you it isn't uncommon to get 3-6 crits in a row. Don’t take things so seriously jesh

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You're better off then a Ret Paladin. You’ll never face as much discrimination as they have.

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No kidding, was in a PUG today and the pally goes, "I'm ret spec". What proceeds?

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From the other group members, I was kind enough to bite my tongue. :P

I get 1250-1300 WF crits and I have a blue weapon in my OH (currently enhance). 1300 Ap and 25% crit unbuffed, see my current armory.

I have the 2h legacy - when wielding that I can get a white crit + 2 WF crits totalling about 6.5k. About once every 2-3 mobs lol.

Compare PTR enhance to PTR elemental, not PTR enhance to live elemental

My elemental set is my stronger - 4/5 T4 and Merc chest, ~850 spelldmg. I tend to go elemental for raiding so i can just spam LB and care nothing about AOE.

I've got about 34% talented LB crit rate. I occassionally see 3 crits in a row (what, 3% chance without doing the maths?). Twice, ever, I have pressed auto-crit on CL and then gotten an overload - now that is awesome.

I tend to arena in elemental spec as well, the elemental suicide run is surprisingly effective against lower end teams.

Is there a difference between taking things seriously and correcting the blatantly incorrect?

I run with enhancement shaman all the time, as do most people I know. Most are fine, only annoying thing is when one refuses to drop windfury totem when we have a fury warrior and a rogue.

On the other hand, I have only grouped with a ret paladin once, and that was for an outdoor quest. There's far, far more retribution hate than there is enhancement hate. Most people I know have a decent respect for enhancement (in PvE), while the very thought of ret is laughed at.

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No kidding, was in a PUG today and the pally goes, "I'm ret spec". What proceeds?

lol
lol
lol

From the other group members, I was kind enough to bite my tongue. :P

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There are good Ret Paladins that do well despite the disadvantages but they are few and far between. It's a difficult spec to pull off but can be done to great success.

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There are good Ret Paladins that do well despite the disadvantages but they are few and far between. It's a difficult spec to pull off but can be done to great success.

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Yeah, I know, was just agreeing that ret pallies have it a lot rougher than us. :P

I guess I can just correct myself in saying DW shaman need some help in pvp.. The 2hander enhancement shaman hit kinda hard from time to time. And 850+ spell dmg for a shaman is very uber man, ATM I've collected just about every peice of the Veteran pvp rewards, seargant cloak, and 2 peices of the GM set (Gloves/shoulders). Only non-veteran epic I'm gonna try to use is my Furies Deck. Gonna go all out with Arena Gear soon hopefully..

That 20 was mostly stupid because any level 70 can plow through WC. I'm spec'd for healing and I could throw on my spell damage gear and tear the place up. I see your point about the perception though. However, you'll always run across the moronic.

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You're better off then a Ret Paladin. You’ll never face as much discrimination as they have.

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Wah wah...Paladins can tank and heal as well as any parent class, yet they still complain about DPS.

Paladins are SUPPOSED to be a tanking hybrid (which, from blizzards terms, I assume, means that they'll be pigeon holed into tanking or healing at 70). And they can tank very well.

Shaman are SUPPOSED to be a dps hybrid (which, again, should mean dps or resto, except it's usually the latter. Don't believe me? How many times of you seen this: "LFxM DPS//CC HEROIC SOMETHING PST")

If you wanna be good at everything roll a druid or respec something useful.

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No kidding, was in a PUG today and the pally goes, "I'm ret spec". What proceeds?

lol
lol
lol

From the other group members, I was kind enough to bite my tongue. :P

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Was this a 70 pally? Because if the pally was leveling...

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First of all, that player was just a complete jerk. Now that I've made myself feel better by stating the obvious, allow me to say a few other things. The effectiveness of the enhancement shaman is certainly no where near as bad as is often perceived. With that being said, however, we not only recognizes that improvements are needed, we're working many of them into patch 2.3.

An example of one helpful adjustment surrounds shamanistic rage, which will also reduces all damage taken by 30% for the duration of the ability (30 seconds), in addition to its current effect. Spirit Weapons will also reduce melee threat by a total of 30% rather than 15%. More improvements should be expected as well.

So, I made this post, we're square for another six months, right? :P

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I LOVE YOU

You may take your leave! See ya in 6!!!

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First of all, that player was just a complete jerk. Now that I've made myself feel better by stating the obvious, allow me to say a few other things. The effectiveness of the enhancement shaman is certainly no where near as bad as is often perceived. With that being said, however, we not only recognizes that improvements are needed, we're working many of them into patch 2.3.

An example of one helpful adjustment surrounds shamanistic rage, which will also reduces all damage taken by 30% for the duration of the ability (30 seconds), in addition to its current effect. Spirit Weapons will also reduce melee threat by a total of 30% rather than 15%. More improvements should be expected as well.

So, I made this post, we're square for another six months, right? :P

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Can we make it 6 days?

30%?! Woot and thanks.

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First of all, that player was just a complete jerk. Now that I've made myself feel better by stating the obvious, allow me to say a few other things. The effectiveness of the enhancement shaman is certainly no where near as bad as is often perceived. With that being said, however, we not only recognizes that improvements are needed, we're working many of them into patch 2.3.

An example of one helpful adjustment surrounds shamanistic rage, which will also reduces all damage taken by 30% for the duration of the ability (30 seconds), in addition to its current effect. Spirit Weapons will also reduce melee threat by a total of 30% rather than 15%. More improvements should be expected as well.

So, I made this post, we're square for another six months, right? :P

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Will spirit weapons work with yellow damage as well?