I am going to start killing Gnomes if I don't get some response on the 36% Windfury proc bug! The Gnomes will stop dying when I get a response!

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Nope, 2.3 locked in already. Good retribution paladin changes coming soon. If you're a paladin reading this thread, please don't get all crazy on me. :P

We'll be updating you with some cool information soon too.

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And any prot changes? We've been waiting on those since the whole tanking hierarchy blue post prior to 2.1. I'm not asking for specifics just an acknowledgement of some type here since we've heard nothing about our status after that post so many months ago.

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Good point some previous poster brought up. What's the chances of seeing the generally considered useless Tanking talents in the enhancement tree? Specifically Shield Block, Anticipation and Toughness. Are there any plans to remove, replace and/or review/change these talents? If Blizz wants to leave them, what justification is there to leave them, and to ever pick them other than as a joke build?

Another concern is the amount of mp/5 and int we still see on enhance gear (although non shaman-bound gear is often hunter as well). Are the devs, etc. aware of how useless these 2 stats are for raiding PvE shaman? I know a lot of shaman use leather to avoid those stats and pick up the more useful rogue oriented stats (which are also the stats we want).

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Well, the way I see it is those gear are usefull as hunter gear

but when you remove all that gear from the loot table, and you look at what's left for enhancement shamans, there is a big gap in itemisation, and it's somewhat patched by wearing some hunter gear for a while.

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There should be a slow version of the off hand only arena weapons. It seems kind of lame that rogues and fury warriors can spend only 1k for an offhand, but enhancement shamans need to save up a few thousand more arena points to use the MH as an OH weapon.

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/points at my armoury

tell me about it bud.....

Eyonix since you're hear I'd like to ask you to check out this thread.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1602202341&sid=1

It's a very well written list of concerns that the shaman class has, a bit lengthy(that should tell you something right there) but it could definately use some blue. I'll be bumping it as well. Thanks for checking in on us.


Also shaman's can we not waste time with questions that are answered daily in these threads? Lets please stick to future information about class viability, not "which weapon is best?" and "does wf work good with fast weapons?". We have a frickin blue reading! Take advantage!

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Yes. So slower weapons = good. :)

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Windfury is not proccing 20% of the time even when dualwielding 2 2.6 speed weapons. I suspect the interaction of Flurry and Stormstrike is causing too many attacks to fall into the 3 sec CD. I know blizz upped the WF proc rate outside the 3 sec CD to compensate for it but it wasnt enough.

I tend to get a 17-18% WF proc rate with my 2.6 speed weapons. Can the CD be slightly lowered or the proc rate slightly increased so that Shams actually see a 20% proc rate while using 2 slow weapons?

The talent changes to the enh tree back in the sham review cost most enh shams about 6 talent points (New 5 point talent + 1 extra point for WF enhancing talent) to compensate for the WF nerf put in at the same time. The changes to Mental quickness is going to make it another must have talent (Desperately needed as Enh sham spells have not scaled with BC).

Any chance some of the talents in the Enh tree can be made a bit cheaper. There are too many must have talents forcing cookie butter build issues.

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No problem. Assuming we don't discover a problem, when the patch hits the public test realms, we will watch closely, and hope you all provide feedback as well when able as to how much the extra 15% threat reduction from spirit weapons helps.

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Only YOU (or another Blizz CM) have the power to save the Gnomes!

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First of all, that player was just a complete jerk. Now that I've made myself feel better by stating the obvious, allow me to say a few other things. The effectiveness of the enhancement shaman is certainly no where near as bad as is often perceived. With that being said, however, we not only recognizes that improvements are needed, we're working many of them into patch 2.3.

An example of one helpful adjustment surrounds shamanistic rage, which will also reduces all damage taken by 30% for the duration of the ability (30 seconds), in addition to its current effect. Spirit Weapons will also reduce melee threat by a total of 30% rather than 15%. More improvements should be expected as well.

So, I made this post, we're square for another six months, right? :P

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Wow you guys are lucky. Ret has been utterly mutilated but they are working on you guys at the same pace they are working on us. You even get more of a threat reduction that can stack with salvation...when all we have is salvation (and its not enough). We will put out more threat than a rogue and do 1/3rd of the dps.

I wish I had rolled a shaman sometimes.

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Well, the way I see it is those gear are usefull as hunter gear

but when you remove all that gear from the loot table, and you look at what's left for enhancement shamans, there is a big gap in itemisation, and it's somewhat patched by wearing some hunter gear for a while.

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Unfortunately, there are so many problems with enhancement that I doubt they can review them all in one patch without doing a complete overhaul.

Hopefully itemization and low tier enhancement tree will remain on the table if they are not addressed next patch. Also, some way to get in range, we need charge or sprint, or blessing of freedom.

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Wow you guys are lucky. Ret has been utterly mutilated but they are working on you guys at the same pace they are working on us. You even get more of a threat reduction that can stack with salvation...when all we have is salvation (and its not enough). We will put out more threat than a rogue and do 1/3rd of the dps.

I wish I had rolled a shaman sometimes.

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I am going to start killing Gnomes if I don't get some response on the 36% Windfury proc bug! The Gnomes will stop dying when I get a response!

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Dude, you'll never get an answer that way! Because massive gnome killing is hilarious, who would want it to stop?

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Unfortunately, there are so many problems with enhancement that I doubt they can review them all in one patch without doing a complete overhaul.

Hopefully itemization and low tier enhancement tree will remain on the table if they are not addressed next patch. Also, some way to get in range, we need charge or sprint, or blessing of freedom.

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I dream of a "Spirit walk" which would act like intercept, no stun, with a 30sec / 1 min cooldown hehe

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Dude, you'll never get an answer that way! Because massive gnome killing is hilarious, who would want it to stop?

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Damnit, I knew I should have gone with the dorfs...

So, E, can something be done with the Arena weapons then? Considering that you INCREASED the offhand speed this patch, doesn't it seem somewhat detrimental to force shaman to get a 2600 mainhand and a 2600 point offhand? How is that balanced? Can we get some kind of refund for the offhands?

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you are blueberry so i am going to assume you have not been a shaman for very long.




during the time all this was happening shaman where in effect told sorry other classes are more important that you. this would be like your boss coming to you and going guess what???? you are getting a promotion next week!!!!! next week rolls around..well bob down the hall deserved it more so we will give you the next one. next time rolls around well cindy complained it was her turn so you have to wait.... next time rolls around well everyone is kinda a manager now so you are going to get twice your current duties and half the pay raise.... then the manageer from another floor lets it slip no one has actually been reading your performance reviews.... and when you ask your boss about this and he yell god damn it i do things when and where i can speak to me with respect or you will get even more of nothing.


customer service is about making the people who buy your service happy.....when you tell a person their 12.95 is not as important to you as another person they get mad.... their 12.95 may not be as important as pleasing the other 1,200 people paying 12.95, but what seperates a good customer service rep from a bad or even just a average one is the ability talk with all of their customers relate with them, and make them feel you are doing what you can for them instead of blowing them off.

i am not going to defend the people from the bus shock era, hey i was one of them, but i do understand why they responded the way they did...shaman have a history of random nerfs for seemingly unknown or obviously flawed reasons, shaman have a history of a lack of response from blizzard. the shaman boards used to be filled with helpfull happy people who knew their class.... now they are filled with malcontents, and people who post of their new lvl 70 alt.


with shaman opened up to the allaince in tbc their numbers as a whole should have risen.....yet they have dropped....something is wrong with shaman and it is not just a few noobs blowing things out of proportion we have fallen behind in talents and gear, and in our communities mind are treated like lepars from blizzard.

E may have come in and made a few posts here today, and they were generally helpfull, but with blizzards net revenue coming in around a billion dollars a year from wow i think they can afford to pay some flunky(not speaking of E here) to spend more time talking to the community as a whole

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I agree with everything you have said, and I haven't had to sit through all of the shaman problems. I've had to sit through all of the paladin problems. You see I originally rolled a paladin with the intent of being a primary melee/secondary healer , and instead found myself healing at the back of a raid for over a year instead. I know what it is like to go through long periods of time with flawed, and even zero communication with blizzard staff.

At the same time we are getting good communication today, and displaying hostility towards blizzard over something that cannot be changed (i.e. the past), does nothing for us, or them, or anyone.

This post has been an excellent example of good communication between blizzard and the players.

I say let the old grudges die, we all play the same game, and we all want it to become more fun.