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He also said sooner rather than later when talking about fixing ret. He won't give us any ETA and the the problems the community has with GC will further continue cause he fails to correct some of his communication issues.

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Definitely how it feels. I'm getting close to quitting this game if they don't at least give us an ETA on when we get fixed

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We generally don’t provide ETAs. Sorry. The consequences (in terms of the same kind of public response you are talking about) for providing an ETA and missing it are far, far worse than for not providing one at all. That is why we say “soon.” Posts about threatening to quit the game will get you banned. Threats were not effective at getting your way in elementary school and they don’t work now.

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The question is...will blue ever address the issue?

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Yes. We said we would. There is a limit to what we can hotfix both in terms of the technical implementation and the testing time (both internal and PTR) required.

Do note though that about half of these threads are “finish nerfing Ret” and half are “Ret has been nerfed to the ground.” This isn’t the kind of issue upon which the community has built a consensus. We need to get Retribution to be viable (in PvP and PvE) but not overpowered.

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Prot needs more cooldowns (blizz has admitted this).
Holy ought to have more utility in general, only being able to tank heal sucks. (blizz has acknowledged this).
Ret needs reworked for aforementioned reasons.

I think this would all go over a lot better if people stopped saying "BUFF RET" "NERF RET"
Ret doesn't need buffed or nerfed, it needs redesigned so that the skill cap is raised considerably.

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Yes to all of that. We’ll try to announce what we’re working on soon (there’s that word again).

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A large part of the problem Blizzard has, is they don't think about how something sounds,(i.e. to the ground, baby,), check facts before they post. Using the Vindication nerf as an example of bad math, 20% of stamina does not equal 20% of hp. Same with Hammer taking the last 20% of health. One problem, with vindication the window to use hammer was lowered. Yes, it's a simple mistake to use forum qq as a basis for justification of a nerf, but when that example is flat out wrong and not supported by any facts , the nerf seems totally unfair. Using facts from math is solid, forum qq that has no factual basis in reality, is emo kids raging.

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Vindication was overpowered. Period. Trying to portray it as a misguided nerf based on us not understanding the mechanic is unlikely to be effective at getting the nerf reverted. When we announced this change, the typical forum response was “Thank goodness.” Now you can try and spin that as community being misinformed about how the talent works (that happens sometimes). You can try to spin that as the community just hating you and wanting to see your class destroyed. In this case we find both of those explanations unconvincing.

Health is not stamina, but the two are closely related. The fact remains that Vindication did the equivalent damage of a very big hit.

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You need to fix these guys, rather than just straight out removing moves (sometimes w/o prior warning). It is pretty insane. That's not balancing, it's emasculating. The only thing I can think of is that you really do not care...that you really want paladins to fit inside this little box because it is easier to constrict them there.

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It sounds like you (and several others in this thread) are arguing either that it’s okay to be overpowered for a little while, or that we should only nerf a problem a few times and then let it remain overpowered if we haven’t gotten there. We hear this as “Don’t nerf me bro.”

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The problem with ret paladins, or with most of the people playing ret paladins, is this roller coaster ride we have been on since release. Many people, including myself, are sick and tired of it. As the Devs put so many times: no one likes being nurfd, but the paladins are seeing it as: hey, why am i the only one being nurfed? Why did you let DKs run wild last season, 3 shotting all the high AND low rated players and now you are nurfing me because i am 3 shotting just the low rated players... this doesn't seem to fair....

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We nerfed DKs plenty of times. As with Ret, the nerfs were not sufficient. The conclusion is that we are too gentle with our nerfs. Think about that for a minute before you complain about how mean we are to you.

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Another thing i'd say to blizzard is, hotfixing paladins week after week for whatever reason without giving any notice in advance is just adding fuel to the fire. Please stop it, coming out with a post a week in advance to say "hey this or that MAY change to this and that..." is something you really, really should do next time.

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When we make balance changes, we don’t always provide advance warning. If it’s something coming in a future patch, we might offer a preview. If it is something that is currently a problem AND it is easy for us to fix (not everything is), then we act on it. We see no reason to sit on a balance change for a week just so the medicine goes down easier. That isn’t fair to everyone else that isn’t your class.

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This should be looked at by Blizz. I even reported it for sticky for some extra attention :P

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It is mostly a QQ thread. We are much more interested in discussions on class mechanics (and there are a few of them in here) than we are at how mean the developers are to you. Re-read some of this. If it was about a class that you didn't play would you say "Wow, that makes so much sense!" or would you roll your eyes? The definition of a logical argument is not one that agrees with your point of view.