Saying the solo van pull negates all the extra npc's we have to deal with is not true. Many horde players have no idea how to do the pulls correctly (lack of experience) much less know how to pull off that exploit. I was tanking av yesterday pulling the marshalls and the whole team is right next to me in the keep. Needless to say that whirlwinds killed a lot of people but we still won every game.

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well lets be honest, each racial lends itself to either pve or pvp, it just so happends that horde racials lend to pvp, while most alliance lends to pve (barring gnome which is the most overpowered pvp racial for a war, but moving on). thats how blizz does balance, unless you want everyone to be the same (which i really dont care) then thats what we have to work with. by the same token alliance racials help for pve, which if you want to raid, is a distinct advantage, as some horde racials are for pvp. however i dont think this means horde is going to win av because of it.

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But the question is: why do horde racials get to be more geared towards PvP? Some of the Horde elitists seem to think it's our punishment for picking a "pretty race". How is that fair, or even make sense?

If you stick 10 alliance versus 10 horde. Same classes. Same gear. Same skill level. That's when the racials come into play.

The racials aren't an "IWIN" button for horde. They're an "IHAVEADISTINCTADVANTAGE" button. And I don't necessarily mean battle winning; but you notice the pain in the ass it is to crowd control undead; how you can't seem to friggin stun an orc like you can a tauren, or any of the ally races.

If PvP is about competition and skill, which so many PvP elitists of both factions claim it is: if you want to brandish your e-peen and show how leet you are at PvP, then you should want a balanced playing field. Giving one faction an edge via racials imbalances things.

No, it's not going to hand a faction a battleground. But it does give them an advantage.

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Not trying to be a troll....just more of a Noob at AV.

Why is the map not balanced?

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The bridge.

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We do have more changes slated for AV that we'll be talking about at a later point in time. The AFK reporting is just one part of the changes.

We also are making it possible to buff in Battlegrounds the same as you do in the Arena. You'll be able to buff for free prior to the BG starting and also for a short period after being resurrected by a Spirit Guide. This is slated for the 2.3 patch along with more changes to AV. Hopefully, everyone will get into the PTR when it goes up and test out all of the changes and let us know how it feels.

We are definitely glad that the AFK reporting seems to be inspiring more people to not AFK in AV right now though.

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Free buffs. Awesome.

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We do have more changes slated for AV that we'll be talking about at a later point in time. The AFK reporting is just one part of the changes.

We also are making it possible to buff in Battlegrounds the same as you do in the Arena. You'll be able to buff for free prior to the BG starting and also for a short period after being resurrected by a Spirit Guide. This is slated for the 2.3 patch along with more changes to AV. Hopefully, everyone will get into the PTR when it goes up and test out all of the changes and let us know how it feels.

We are definitely glad that the AFK reporting seems to be inspiring more people to not AFK in AV right now though.

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It has been a nice change to see the bots purple gaining no honor.

av changes sound good, too bad your arena ones are stupid

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It has been a nice change to see the bots purple gaining no honor.

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Ya its cool right now. Most are scared, you've got a few who buck the system. Like most are saying, lets see what happens in a week.

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Horde are more agressive therefore they have more agressive racials. Alliance are more defensive therefore they have more defensive racials. And to all of you that think racials make that much of a difference STFU.

Why is it fair that it takes me twice as long to get my netherdrake then humans or how is it fair that a human can see rogues easier? Just get over it.

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I realize that I'm no master at Theory Craft, but how does a 10% boost to my rep gains equate to my rep building at twice the rate as yours?

Also, wherein exactly are you getting this notion that Horde are more "agressive" (sic) than Alliance?

Finally, I shall be quick to point out that a Netherdrake is really a luxury. You can get epic flying mounts through the same way I can, at the same speed. However, if Horde racials contribute to them dominating the Battlegrounds, that means they'll get honor quicker than alliance, they will get the best PvP gear faster than Alliance; which is actually a necessity, not a luxury.

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Horde are more agressive therefore they have more agressive racials. Alliance are more defensive therefore they have more defensive racials. And to all of you that think racials make that much of a difference STFU.

Why is it fair that it takes me twice as long to get my netherdrake then humans or how is it fair that a human can see rogues easier? Just get over it.

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Wait, did you just agree that the alliance base is more defensive while all of the horde bases are more offensive? hmm.

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But the question is: why do horde racials get to be more geared towards PvP?

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You mean like Stoneform and Escape Artist?

I laugh at the Horde when they say AV's terrain is unbalanced, do you not understand the choke points? Put 5-10 horde near Galv(which the Alliance cannot live without) and wait for the pull, go in and take out their healers and rinse repeat as you die. You rez at IB and the Alliance rezzes in their home base which basically puts 90% of all Alliance on defense, then you push them back. Most of the time the Allliance never recovers.

If a strong force gets through to IB and takes it the next choke point is in your base, there are several doorways, towers etc. to attack from and should be able to slow their assault. Frost traps anyone? Frost nova mages?

The mere fact that that most horde refuse to either defend or are too ignorant to defend is does not mean that the map is unbalanced. Use the terrain that's there, each sides choke points are different but can't be used effectively either way.

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You mean like Stoneform and Escape Artist?

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Now go over the rest of both lists.

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We also are making it possible to buff in Battlegrounds the same as you do in the Arena. You'll be able to buff for free prior to the BG starting and also for a short period after being resurrected by a Spirit Guide.

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Thank you very much for this one. buff + sit and drink was a real buzzkill.

There are imbalances in every BG, but to say that there is a map imbalance for alliance in AV is just crazy. I win 75% of the games I am in and every time horde get their bunker and their gy before we have even started on the Lt outside of Galv. It is obvious that horde have a shorter distance to their places then alliance. The only reason we manage to catch up is because we SKIP galv, and horde don't skip Belinda. Not to mention you guys have a better vantage point at the first gy to defend then allaince. We have only way way to IB gy, were as horde have two.

AV isn't the only place were horde have an advantage, AB and WSG has things. Bottom line horde whine and complain and Blizzard caters to them, why - becuase there are more horde then alliance period, and the developers are in love with their horde.

We all know horde have pvp racials and alliance have pve....where was the logic in that blizz?

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We also are making it possible to buff in Battlegrounds the same as you do in the Arena. You'll be able to buff for free prior to the BG starting and also for a short period after being resurrected by a Spirit Guide. This is slated for the 2.3 patch along with more changes to AV.

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I like this idea. I think it gives more motivation to buff others, and indirectly promoting teamwork. Thank you! :-)

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There are imbalances in every BG, but to say that there is a map imbalance for alliance in AV is just crazy. I win 75% of the games I am in and every time horde get their bunker and their gy before we have even started on the Lt outside of Galv. It is obvious that horde have a shorter distance to their places then alliance. The only reason we manage to catch up is because we SKIP galv, and horde don't skip Belinda. Not to mention you guys have a better vantage point at the first gy to defend then allaince. We have only way way to IB gy, were as horde have two.

AV isn't the only place were horde have an advantage, AB and WSG has things. Bottom line horde whine and complain and Blizzard caters to them, why - becuase there are more horde then alliance period, and the developers are in love with their horde.

We all know horde have pvp racials and alliance have pve....where was the logic in that blizz?

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lol, alliance have the better map for av. wsg and ab are the same