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Philbo

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Sargeras

0. Something that might help (1-58 grind) 06/10/2009 06:15:31 AM PDT

Give all new characters all the Azeroth flight paths as soon as they're created. One of the worst things about leveling now (aside from being through the game over 10 times) is all the ridiculously annoying walks. You basically have a 30+ minute walk to whereever you're going to be questing next no matter what, and that can take the wind out of the sails of anybody trying to level a new character from 1.

Org to Xroads.

Xroads to TB.

Xroads to Freewind post.

I remember trying to level in the dwarf areas when I played alliance and that walk to menethil was a nightmare too.

I think the Boa equipment, plus the faster leveling/questing at 30 helps a lot but adding this would make it doable again for me.

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Lightninghoof

1. Re: Something that might help (1-58 grind) 06/10/2009 06:19:35 AM PDT

Would you think they'd retune all the "go over here and introduce yourself" quests? There's several quests in the early parts of the game which require you to go to the next level-appropriate area, and pay out really well for the time spent walking. That's one of my first things to do with low level guildmates: drive them to flight paths so they can get thousands of XP for "walking" to Ashenvale, after actually flying.

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2. Re: Something that might help (1-58 grind) 06/10/2009 06:19:51 AM PDT

RECRUIT A FRIEND, RAF RAF RAF RAF RAF RAF

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Philbo

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Sargeras

3. Re: Something that might help (1-58 grind) 06/10/2009 06:22:36 AM PDT

Q u o t e:
Would you think they'd retune all the "go over here and introduce yourself" quests? There's several quests in the early parts of the game which require you to go to the next level-appropriate area, and pay out really well for the time spent walking. That's one of my first things to do with low level guildmates: drive them to flight paths so they can get thousands of XP for "walking" to Ashenvale, after actually flying.

I don't see that being a problem at this state in the game. They shouldn't have to retool anything, i'd even be interested to see the numbers on how many brand new (no other accounts) subscribers are starting completely fresh at level 1, without a RAF attached to their accounts. I don't think this would hurt anything.

I understand your point though, like the orc you meet in the tower on the way to Ashenvale and whatnot.

I think the xp and speed increase attaining it would easily make up for any possible discovery of xx area xp you get.

Nectarz

Scilla

4. Re: Something that might help (1-58 grind) 06/10/2009 06:29:59 AM PDT

Q u o t e:
Would you think they'd retune all the "go over here and introduce yourself" quests? There's several quests in the early parts of the game which require you to go to the next level-appropriate area, and pay out really well for the time spent walking. That's one of my first things to do with low level guildmates: drive them to flight paths so they can get thousands of XP for "walking" to Ashenvale, after actually flying.

If i'm reading your post correctly, your saying to the OP that they would miss all those quests and exp from walking from place to place. And the money that comes with it.

Well, you didn't read what he said very closely. He said he has done these quests 10 times, so have I, so money is not a concern of mine, plus, the storyline and such, I could give 2 craps about, I have 5 level 80's. There is nothing more lame and frustrating than walking from x-roads to ashenvale, or to TB.

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Lightninghoof

5. Re: Something that might help (1-58 grind) 06/10/2009 06:30:02 AM PDT

Q u o t e:
I don't see that being a problem at this state in the game. They shouldn't have to retool anything, i'd even be interested to see the numbers on how many brand new (no other accounts) subscribers are starting completely fresh at level 1, without a RAF attached to their accounts. I don't think this would hurt anything.

I agree, it doesn't seem like a big deal either way. Just something they'd probably need to adjust. I remember years ago a staff member posted that they had tested on the test servers and a brand new character was able to get about halfway through level 19 solely from exploration. Course that assumes said brand new character had someone (like an 80 guildmate, or a Blizzard GM) preventing them from dying every ten steps, but it's an interesting thought: leveling exclusively through exploring. And that was before BC, so with Outland and Northrend to explore I bet it'd be substantially higher.

Nectarz, sorry to be unclear. I was saying that by giving new characters all flight paths to start, they would be negating the difficulty of many of those "get on the rails and advance your character at the next quest hub" quests. I don't know the numbers, but if a quest to go from Crossroads to Ashenvale rewards 7,000 xp for the trip, then having the flight path makes that a 30-50 copper 7,000 xp. I don't think it's a big deal, I was just bringing up the topic. Not having a level 1 character or the likelihood of making one, I don't feel strongly either way, just making conversation.

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6. Re: Something that might help (1-58 grind) 06/10/2009 06:35:19 AM PDT

I enjoy leveling alts, but I will agree that one of the more mollifying things you confront, and rather quickly, is the fact you have to learn your FP's all over again. Walking long distances as a lowbie can be trying.

That plus the wait for your slow mount (at lv30 nowadays, which is helpful) makes those first 30 levels pretty tough if you've played many characters already. Even then, the climb from 30 to 60 is also a bit rough, since you're used to riding at 100% on land and 280% in the skies. 60% seems slow as molasses in comparison.

On the flip side, there's something to be said for each of our characters paying their dues. As this rogue finally nears 60 I know it's going to be great to ride an epic wolf at 100% speed!

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Whisperwind

7. Re: Something that might help (1-58 grind) 06/10/2009 06:42:52 AM PDT

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RECRUIT A FRIEND, RAF RAF RAF RAF RAF RAF

Its EASY.

Very easy. But there are some runs pre 30 that are just way too time consuming.

I have a human pally raf'd with a nelf druid. Did the quests on the human side and decided in the 20s to go to Wetlands. SW tram to IF, IF to Loch Modan, Loch Modan to Wetlands and of course, the FP has to be on the furthest coast. What a time consuming run.

For new characters, they can atleast give all the 1-20 zone FP to them.

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Sargeras

8. Re: Something that might help (1-58 grind) 06/10/2009 06:50:57 AM PDT

Q u o t e:

I agree, it doesn't seem like a big deal either way. Just something they'd probably need to adjust. I remember years ago a staff member posted that they had tested on the test servers and a brand new character was able to get about halfway through level 19 solely from exploration. Course that assumes said brand new character had someone (like an 80 guildmate, or a Blizzard GM) preventing them from dying every ten steps, but it's an interesting thought: leveling exclusively through exploring. And that was before BC, so with Outland and Northrend to explore I bet it'd be substantially higher.

Yeah I can see how that might be a problem. They could also only give you the flight paths for areas 5-10 levels ahead of your level, and keep opening them up as you level up.

Scali

Emerald Dream

9. Re: Something that might help (1-58 grind) 06/10/2009 07:01:36 AM PDT

the darkshire to sven - sven to darkshire quests make me RAGE.. hard

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10. Re: Something that might help (1-58 grind) 06/10/2009 07:03:39 AM PDT

Q u o t e:
RECRUIT A FRIEND, RAF RAF RAF RAF RAF RAF

Its EASY.

Ahhh... if only they'd allow it between two existing accounts.
Call it something besides Recruit-A-Friend, I guess.
Heck, maybe make it where both accounts need to be owned by the same person.
Give an incentive to those of us who cheerfully pay for multiple accounts already.

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Sargeras

11. Re: Something that might help (1-58 grind) 06/10/2009 07:20:46 AM PDT

You should never have to pay for an in-game advantage, and that isn't what this thread is about.

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Lightninghoof

12. Re: Something that might help (1-58 grind) 06/10/2009 07:23:59 AM PDT

Q u o t e:
Yeah I can see how that might be a problem. They could also only give you the flight paths for areas 5-10 levels ahead of your level, and keep opening them up as you level up.

That'd be pretty handy, I like it. They could also just nerf the payoff for those quests for all characters created with the all flight paths option.

I like this idea. Have you posted it to Suggestions?

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Khadgar

13. Re: Something that might help (1-58 grind) 06/10/2009 07:25:49 AM PDT

I don't remember ever having to walk more than 10 to 15 minutes anywhere while leveling the early levels. It seems like a grind, but it is never 30 minutes. You could walk from Org to Desolace in less than 30 minutes.

If they just gave the FP's to all new toons, then the people that just start the game would never experience the exploration that comes with leveling a toon.

It is just a part of the game that must be accepted if one decides to level another toon.

As a previous poster said, RAF is the way to go!

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Nesingwary

14. Re: Something that might help (1-58 grind) 06/10/2009 07:32:39 AM PDT

I wish the RAF link would continue afrer level 60 and 90 days not for the 3x experience or granting levels just the summon friend I miss that sooo much

Mmlz

Exodar

15. Re: Something that might help (1-58 grind) 06/10/2009 07:37:02 AM PDT

Q u o t e:
Would you think they'd retune all the "go over here and introduce yourself" quests? There's several quests in the early parts of the game which require you to go to the next level-appropriate area, and pay out really well for the time spent walking. That's one of my first things to do with low level guildmates: drive them to flight paths so they can get thousands of XP for "walking" to Ashenvale, after actually flying.

Those quests are to help direct low level players to the next leveling area until they get the hang of it. They helped me a lot when I was new to the game.

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Frostwolf

16. Re: Something that might help (1-58 grind) 06/10/2009 07:39:51 AM PDT

I have so many RAF characters that have like only 10 flightpaths in Azeroth. :/ My druid has none.

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17. Re: Something that might help (1-58 grind) 06/10/2009 07:40:52 AM PDT

I like the idea some what. Level restrictions, must already have learned the flight paths on another character on your account of that same faction (Alliance -> Alliance, Horde -> Horde)

Alliance ~

1-10 start with no Flight paths
11-20 you get all level 12-20 zone flight paths, Westfall, Redridge Mountains, Wetlands ex.
21-30 you get all level 24-30 zone flight paths, Desolace, STV, ex.

Would go on and on like that tell you hit Outlands. Outlands and Northrend would have to be gathered the old way... by horse back.

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Windrunner

18. Re: Something that might help (1-58 grind) 06/10/2009 07:41:39 AM PDT

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I don't remember ever having to walk more than 10 to 15 minutes anywhere while leveling the early levels. It seems like a grind, but it is never 30 minutes. You could walk from Org to Desolace in less than 30 minutes.

If they just gave the FP's to all new toons, then the people that just start the game would never experience the exploration that comes with leveling a toon.

It is just a part of the game that must be accepted if one decides to level another toon.

As a previous poster said, RAF is the way to go!

Then have this apply only to individuals that have a max level character on the server they are leveling the lowbie character on.

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Frostwolf

19. Re: Something that might help (1-58 grind) 06/10/2009 07:46:51 AM PDT

I think you should just be able to buy a Flight Path Map for 100g.

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