No the old forms were horrible looking especially the tauren cat and the bears with their mouths open, you want the old forms still in the game? then I suggest smashing your head until you are so concussed that the new forms, in fact everything in world of warcraft look like it did in Warcraft 3, so you can be stuck living in the past while the rest of us progress

hey blizz dude thanks for responding to me i can understand what u are saying, and can agree with you

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I understood the point quite well, but we're not releasing cool new art --- a necessary upgrade, I might add -- and then putting a level requirement on it. There's a difference between failing to understand a point and disagreeing with its foundation. :)

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Uhm... How do you explain flight form vs crappy old art flight form them =_=? I'd think 5000g for epic flight training is a lot more restrictive than some levels. By that logic, slow burd would look the same as fast burd. Not that it particularly matters but... yeah.

Edit: Also, I think you might have legitimately missed a point here (3 posts down) ='D
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17631614423&sid=1&pageNo=9#167

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I understood the point quite well, but we're not releasing cool new art --- a necessary upgrade, I might add -- and then putting a level requirement on it. There's a difference between failing to understand a point and disagreeing with its foundation. :)

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You might have wanted to mention this in your original response so that it comes off as a sound justification rather than a post-hoc rationalization.

But since the levels of vanilla WoW have been streamlined to the point where one can seemingly move from level 1 to 70 by means of an in-game wormhole, perhaps the inclusion of the old models on sub 30 (or insert alternate level requirement here) would be interesting, add to the (much removed) sense of accomplishment of levelling up through the vanila content and provide some additional variety to the game as a whole.

But then if the artists or other powers that be would be upset about not having the "cool" new art implemented for all druids at all levels, then I suppose its wise to simply do away with the old models entirely.

I however believe that variety/diversity is an ideal worth pursuing, and that the new models provide variety and choice is an improvement (above & beyond the better modelling), but preserving the old models for the few hours it takes a player to level up to the point where they can buy a mount (ie. 30) would only serve as a better overall option, imo.

I agree that the old models should disappear and I'm looking forward to the new ones. I would like a way to distinguish between a level 10 bear and a level 80 bear though. Perhaps they could do the same scaling as with hunter pets. Level 10 bear is about the size of the Baby Blizzard Bear, and a level 80 bear comparable to Ursoc!

RL: You were too far away from the boss, I said clump up on the boss.
Player: I was standing in the tank.
RL: It's a bear, that's too far away.

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I understood the point quite well, but we're not releasing cool new art --- a necessary upgrade, I might add -- and then putting a level requirement on it. There's a difference between failing to understand a point and disagreeing with its foundation. :)

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Just out of curiosity, do you disagree with the idea that druids should look the same at 10 as they do at end-game? Or just the fact that new druids deserve the same art as druids who've been playing for a while?

You know how I distinguish between a level 10 bear and a level 80 bear?

I look for that little number next to their name. You know, the one that goes up the more you play the game and kill things? What's it called? Oh, right, their level!

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You're twisting words to create a Straw Man. You put a level and challenge cap on gear. The gear that's obtainable at a higher level and difficulty is more intricate and aesthetically pleasing. Your Straw Man has been successfully knocked over.

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There's some lower level gear that looks awesome. I'd rather wear that, instead.

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You know how I distinguish between a level 10 bear and a level 80 bear?

I look for that little number next to their name. You know, the one that goes up the more you play the game and kill things? What's it called? Oh, right, their level!


There's some lower level gear that looks awesome. I'd rather wear that, instead.

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I agree with you. You should address that shortcoming in progression of gear in the Suggestions forum.

You can always just mod your model back to the old one. They can tell you not to, but they can't really stop you.

As a compromise, perhaps druid forms should scale in size with level? Much like hunter pets do?

A level 10 hunter and pet clearly looks much more diminutive than a level 80. The same thing should work for druids, and would give a clear, intuitive sense of progression.

A range from about 70% of current size at 10/20 to 150% of current size at 80 would be manageable and yet visually striking.

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Uhm... How do you explain flight form vs crappy old art flight form them =_=? I'd think 5000g for epic flight training is a lot more restrictive than some levels. By that logic, slow burd would look the same as fast burd.

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"Flight Form" and "Swift Flight Form" are different spells that generate different forms. Whereas "Cat Form" is the same spell from level 20 to 80, and thus generates the same form. This seems consistent.

And I can't help but point out that the flight form model is vastly better than the hideously boondoggled swift flight form model. Among the reasons I never upgraded to swift flight form (in addition to being reluctant to pay 5k a fifth time) is that I had a hard time accepting paying that much gold to look that much uglier.

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"Flight Form" and "Swift Flight Form" are different spells that generate different forms. Whereas "Cat Form" is the same spell from level 20 to 80, and thus generates the same form. This seems consistent.

And I can't help but point out that the flight form model is vastly better than the hideously boondoggled swift flight form model. Among the reasons I never upgraded to swift flight form (in addition to being reluctant to pay 5k a fifth time) is that I had a hard time accepting paying that much gold to look that much uglier.

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Both Flight Forms are horrid.

Birds don't fly with their legs hanging like broken little twigs, unless the birds legs have been broken, and look like broken little twigs...........

Birds also fly with their bodies parallel to the ground, like this:
http://www.hickerphoto.com/data/media/161/birds-of-north-america_T4868.jpg

Not with their rear falling out of the sky. Looks like Druids are a flying dog dragging it's arse across the carpet..... carpet of air.

the old tauren bear form looks as good as the new ones still, id keep it then havin the new ones on m druid =/

The argument about distinguishing between levels is retarded.

1) If you're 80, you will not encounter level 29 bears in any zone where knowing a player's level is advantageous.

2) If you're 29, you will not encounter level 80 bears in any zone where knowing a player's level is advantageous.

3) A character's level is displayed on their portrait and tooltip.

It's not rocket science.


"I must know at a glance if that bear in the Orgrimmar AH next to me is a level 25 or a level 80! QQ BLIZZ PLZ FIX!!!"

*Applause*

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If you could back up your assertion with evidence that a character's physical appearance, not clothing, is altered as players attain higher levels, I'd concede that I used a straw man argument.

The day my gnome's eyes start glowing red and I have access to new barber shop features unavailable to gnomes at lower levels is the day I'll fancy your stance.

The physical appearance of characters as chosen at the character selection screen does not change as one levels up, just as the forms a druid has access to do not currently change depending on level. I'm not even arguing that it isn't a good idea to do this. I can see the appeal, but that's not the way it's going to be implemented in patch 3.2, as was the point of my original post.

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Um.. again.. yes they do? regular flight form at 68, epic flight form at 70? >.>;;

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You might have wanted to mention this in your original response so that it comes off as a sound justification rather than a post-hoc rationalization.

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This was the reason why I questioned whether or not the blue got it.

Don't get me wrong, I like the new models/skins.

The main reason I thought it was an interesting idea was because I remembered the old thread in the druid forums in which some person innocently posted a proud screen shot of their new level 10 bear form (I believe the poster was genuine) and asked for others to post screen shots of their higher level bears. This of course lead to people posting shots of their druid in T5 in bear form and people laughing/lamenting about the fact that their was no difference between that druid and the level 10 one.